Security Pin Mixing

[LockNewbie21]

Sweet job man and great pick. Did you notice any diffrence in picking like a varied amount of diffrent fellings?

Like from going to spool the serrated then spool then serrated?



Andy

[Pickitup]

Amazing!!!!!!!!

[Krypos]

when i met this lockie at my school (another post i made somewhere) he had to repin EVERY exterior door lock at my school after a senior prank involving superglue. he had (what looked like, but wasnt exactly) a tacklebox, as in fishing lures, etc, but it was made by schlage. my school uses schlage, as does all the local schools, and it was i think like a 10,000 piece pin set. pins of all and every size, diameter, type, etc, etc, etc. it was mezmerizing to see at all. and i dont know where or how to get it, but it does exist, although something THAT big MUST be at least a couple hundred i would think. was very cool. had like 50-100 compartments and like 200 of each kind. no joke. try looking at like schlage website or something for similar, or if you have some money get a bunch (or use existing locks) and see what does and doesnt fit around, i know pins from some of my locks are close enough to swap out with others of different brands.

good luck! and post picks showing everything and progress if/when it works. (or if i skipped a vital part of the thread and it already DID work, the good work)

[LockNewbie21]

1-6 bottom- all serrated
1-6 driver- 1standard 2 and 3 are spool serrated (brinks shouded)

4-5 mushrooms (abus) 6 average joe spool (master 991)


and springs, 1-6 has alternating springs to screw up feel as well

... sorry having fun with the faces.


I can safely say that the key with (hand filed 6 pin position) works as though its a normal lock and fuctions fine.

As far as long term durability, jamming and such... don't know.


Now on to the good stuff. The false set is strange as when you apply neg. plug rotation as you set one pin, one two three or four will fall. Its wierd the security pins all have there own feel... but also have a given amount of neg. plug rotaion to properly set them some a littel more than others.


So actually if its durable and won't jam on the customer, you can call it high security. Now theres always all the bypass's and and drilling. But for pickign alone.... good


I know the post is long, but if you try it, atleast for me, reading it is tricky, theres all these diffrent feels, its really neat.


I have not picked this yet.. but i do know as far as normal key opereation it is deffinatly plausable. The only thing like i said is, how will it hold up? Mines been fine, but it has not been on the outside of a door yet in cold heat and rain.



Pretty cool expierement though. The security pins, i bought from a lockie around my ways, to many butchered padlocks would have died in this expienement. Pins cost me 2$ not bad.

I am going to update this thread, i wrote this in another and moved it here enjoy



Newbie21
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[LockNewbie21]

Theres a part of me mentioning the fact that some security pins take more neg. plug rot. to set, heres an example.


A standard serrated will take less neg. rotation to set that a spool, becuase theres .000000000 somthing milimeters of material taken off a spool then a serrated.

Sooo, if oyu set a lock up with a standard in the first, then a serrated and spool alternation, once one of the spools have to be set the serrated pins will fall back down, so they have to almost be lifted all at once.

Worked for me hope it does for you, and i hope you understand what i am saying. I don't have a micrometer handy to tell you the actually diffrence in material removal from serrated to spool or serrated spool ect. but if you have one and actually want to measure the diff. feel free


Although possible to rake or snap with the gun, if you put a nice pin config. plus the alternating springs as well, this narrows a picking success ratio. Still pickable.. but just a littel harder



Okay i'm done enjoy, give your feedback, try it, just make sure all pins are the same and fit, and it should work, But take intoconcideration, i don;t know the durability and jamming factor, so have you silicon lube ready... and a few cold ones.. maybe a case


Andy

[darrel.h]

I would recommend you to also take a dremel and put serrations on any pins that don't have any, such as the spool pins. Another idea is to put serrations on the bottom part of the drivers.....

[LockNewbie21]

The pins already have that.. But i might invent my own security pin, i always thought of a mushroom with a valley, like the head of the pin sunken in for even more of a false set

[bpc293]

i have wanted to make my own serrated pins. if there not cut perfect will i screw anything up?

[ericm115]

Sweet job man and great pick. Did you notice any diffrence in picking like a varied amount of diffrent fellings?

Like from going to spool the serrated then spool then serrated?

I have my American Lock 1105 pinned: (123456) serrated,spool,serrated,spool,serrated,spool right now. ( I know, the 1105 is a 5pin but I went to my lockie today and picked up another spool, spring, and short pin)

The serrated pins will obviously have to be picked first since the spools wont bind until the plug turns into them. So really there's only three pins that could bind at first out of a possible 6, making the picking much easier. It's essentially a 3 pin lock until "stage two" when the plug turns into the spool valleys. As you said, it does get tricky because if any of the cylinders that has a spool is out of line and should have been picked before one of the serrateds, all serrateds that should have bound after that spool fall down.

The spool still sets though, then you only have one or two or three serrateds binding again, recreating the same situation as in the beginning (going back to "stage one").

Of course, you have already picked those three (in "stage one") and know the pin order and number of clicks (serrations) before shear, so you don't have to spend much time with it until you lock the next spool.

It's a pretty quick process really, and it leaves you knowing the exact picking sequence with little doubt... though it MAY take longer than usual...

To make this system more secure, you should pin the lock with normal pins and find the three FIRST binding pins (ie: 1,2,5), then make those spools so that the serrateds (3,4,6) will reset when each spool is picked.

Hrm. I think this all makes sense. Sometimes I talk dribble though

[ericm115]

ehh.. upon second inspection, mine does this because I have short pins under all of my spools and I wait till after the longer serrateds are set to go back and get the spools.

It may be obvious to some of you that I could have been just setting the spools along and along... I should have thought of that. I just went back and repicked it and indeed you can... oh well.

[LockNewbie21]

I wonder if a really good mix up is in order. I noticed the V10 has spools, but at diffrent lengths, and also how this or thick they are.

As for me, it seems.. rember this is a cut away. That for every thicker serreater i set a spool will fall or rebind.

But when i go to set the spool the serreated will fall back down becuase the false set is simple to much.

I never tired picking it to open it, but its really is a never ending progression of flase sets and falling pins.

I am going to pin up another non cutaway, becuase this occurence could be form sloppier tollerences from making it a cutaway.

As far as pick proof it wont happen, but the diffrent feelings is what gets me, it feels.. well kinda screwed up

Even if it doesn;t work it was a good brain exersise, and the lockie i bought pins from made some scratch