I picked my first Medeco

by **bumpit** » 27 Dec 2006 22:43

I bet it would impression easier after the popsicle stick was freshly sucked clean of its ice cream. The wood would be softer and more mauleable.

by **LockNewbie21** » 28 Dec 2006 0:18

Yess, I just need to get a multi lock now :lol:

In responce to the question it was a medeco 5 pin IC core type you would use in say a master pro series.

I never new Camlocks were harder doesn't seem possible, the only have key pins and a sidebar. Plus I seen lockpickroy rake on on youtube :lol:

I will get one and have a go, there all the same to pick though just good sidebar depression control.

by **zeke79** » 28 Dec 2006 0:22

If it makes you feel better, I find the cam locks much easier to pick also.

by **LockNewbie21** » 28 Dec 2006 0:28

If it makes you feel better, I find the cam locks much easier to pick also.

CHeers mate

I really want to try the keymarks jsut for the keyway, the look rediculous. I have my eyes on an everest KIK on ebay its only 10 bucks 5 shipping. I really hate schalges, they make me look stupider than my typing ability, but its the holidays so what the heck.

by **What** » 28 Dec 2006 2:42

zeke79 wrote:If it makes you feel better, I find the cam locks much easier to pick also.

the cam locks i have(from you and another source) are much harder(IMO) than any of the full cylinders....

i have come in contact with a couple cam locks that had a groove cut all the way around a pin instead of just a little hole... those are much easier.

Website · by **Knowthebird** » 28 Dec 2006 18:30

I am getting a schlage everest from Melvin, so that will be something new and good practice for most locks I think. I also talked to a locksmith in town that said she would sell me a medeco mortise or cam lock tomarrow for about $60, I hope that is how much it will cost because all I have is 70 until I work this sunday :-(. She also might have some with out the keys, if so hopefully I can try/get one of those cheaper.

I'm so siked. This can give me an idea about how much of my picking was luck, and even if most of it was luck this will be great practice. And who knows, maybe one day I can claim the 3 minute picking of the best :-).

I'm really counting my chickens rite now, but I think this will be cool. I may be spending all my money, but I will get some more soon enough. Knowing I can pick medecos will be more important to me in a month or two than the money.

Thanks for the replies, that have given me some goals/dreams.

Website · by **Knowthebird** » 28 Dec 2006 18:33

Shoot, I don't now how to edit my posts here...
Thanks for the replies, they have given me some goals/dreams.

by **Iceberg_Slim** » 28 Dec 2006 19:56

supposedly ericm has a attack for multlock pin-in-pin/telescoping pin , its talked about in Deviant Ollam talks when he has his presentations at defcon, schmoo con, etc. its also on his website

http://deviating.net/lockpicking/

by **Squelchtone** » 28 Dec 2006 20:48

zeke79 wrote:This challenge cannot end bad, if someone does it then they have $100 bux in their pocket and I have learned something new. Everyone is happy .

I must say, no duplicating a key onto a popsicle stick either. This must be done just like the old popsicle stick impressioning tale goes which is just like the foil imression method only with a wooden stick.

can we dip the wooden stick in wax? ;-)

Squelchtone

Website · by **Knowthebird** » 30 Dec 2006 19:01

Well, I got my medeco mortise cylander and went insane. I spent around 9 hours on it and ended up with a very bent feeler pick and two bent tension wrenches, and I broke one pick.

I took it apart and tried picking each pin alone, then mixed up combinations of two and three pins. There were a total of 5 security pins for the six pin lock. In one of the chambers the driver pin and key pin where both security pins.

In the end I was only able to pick it with four pins (3 security), and only once I think. But I did learn a great deal, Like how to tell if the pin might be a mushroom pin, and what I can do to try and set the pin while using heavy tension, and other b.s. I would share but I'm terrified of the mods :-)

In the end I realized I need to practice my picking much more and I might need to invest in slim line picks for the medeco. SO, this is a long term project I will just have to work a little on each day.

by **jabial** » 30 Dec 2006 19:10

Medecos have pins that you need to rotate to free the sidebar.
So, when you have finished picking it, it will turn only slightly.
Then, try using light tension and raking the sides of all the pins. It has been reported to work given enough time.

Website · by **Knowthebird** » 30 Dec 2006 19:44

I never saw a sidebar like people have told me about/shown me. The chambers holding the pins where cut so that the pins could only rase if they where aligned properly, but no sidebar like has been shown online.

What I did was I would take a rake a scrub the pins once or twice, and then see if I could lift them all the way up. If I couldn't I would rake some more, if I could it meant they were correctly rotated. Then I applied heavy tension and picked it like any other lock. This worked great with one, two, and three pins, and at four it just worked. But like I said at five it got stuck, and at six I didn't have a chance.

But, I had not problems with the rotation (now that I said that I will :-), my problems where with reaching the pins in the back and picking them with out messing up the ones I had set in the front. For some reason I have trouble setting the pins in the back, I need practice there. I had to aply heavy tension because there was a bar on the side of the lock that did not need to be picked, but simply pushed in to allow the lock to rotate. I assume this is to either make the lock seem like it had not been picked or to force people to apply heavy tension, which creates problems when you pic the mushroom pins, maybe both. When you have to apply heavy tension and pick a mushroom pin it seams like the minute you get it the pins you picked just before it come loose. Then you have to let up on the tension (very very little) to pick those again, and you come back to the problem with the mushroom again. It's dane cook's vicious circle :-).

I might need to try some totaly new method, or just get more practice, but rite now I'm so frustrated (or humbled as my mom said) I can't touch another lock tonigt.

by **LockNewbie21** » 30 Dec 2006 20:27

I just got my new rim cylinder today

So i used one key and free handed a bump key on my machine to get the angles(do not try!) Zeke explains it in his vid in the advanced area i believe? not sure.

But got the dang thing to bump huah!

I picked my first Medeco

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