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Postby Lauren » 7 Nov 2007 0:23

This isn't the fist time I brought this idea to the forum. However, I now have a specific idea on how I could make this work with the right jig. And I have to stress, the Jigging would have to be lock specific.

If you fully insert a simple feeler pick (a pick with a slight hook on the end) after the lock is picked and tension is maintained on the cylinder in a fixed position, you could drag the pick across the bottom pins as you removed it. The pick would have a pin fixed through the center of the handle, allowing it to teeter up and down. The length of the pin would be equal on both sides, so that the pick handle is centered. Also, the pin would be long enough to glide into a slotted channel of two fixed brackets, one on each side of the pick handle. The slots are what allow the feeler pick to move in and out of the lock while teetering against the pins in a fixed horizontal position. On the end of the pick handle and 90 degrees to it, would be a marking tip such as a pencil or a fine tipped pen.
On the side of the pen tip, you would attach a paper card that would be also attached to one of the brackets. The card could have small lines on it, pre-callibrated for pin spacing and pin height measurement. As the feeler pick was removed, it would scribe a unique graph on the card that could be used to decode the lock for making a key.

I'm thinking of making a jig for something easy just to test the idea, say for instance, a few common lamminated M1 Master locks. :D :D
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Postby kg4boj » 7 Nov 2007 0:50

There is a product already out there that does something very similar to this, except its application is slightly diffrent. all it is is a very flat piece of metal with an arm configured as a lever with a ball point pen ink cartridge and a little feeler at the tip. When the device is pulled straight out of a lock it will give relitive heights of wafers compared to eatchother, and from this and knowing the depths its fairly simple to generate a key.

I suppose if you had some kind of X arangement you could have a flat pick or something in contact with of the bottom of the keyway and a hook pick that touched the individual pins and it would give you a diffrent angular reading depending on how high each pin was. This angular reading could be directly converted to a measure of length, and the length of the bottom of the keyway to the top of the pin could have the distance from the bottom of the key to the start of the blade subtracted and get actual cut depths without knowing the specific depth specifications of the lock, in addition you could simply use a caliper and dial out the depths of the root of the cut from the base of the key and make a working key..,

In actuality this is along the lines of a tool I had machined and I'm field testing before applying for a patent on (patent search came out ok... needs to be proven original still) , I cant give too many details but you are on the right track. It still might behove you to learn to read the relitive heights of the pins compared to one another, even if the information is only if one pin is higher or lower than the other, it still can be very useful.
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Postby Lauren » 7 Nov 2007 1:01

Thanks for the feedback. Your idea sounds like exactly what I invisioned. :D
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Postby Servalite6354 » 9 Nov 2007 10:01

I think you could make it electronic and even more precise with position sensors, rather than a marker. Especially in this day and age.

Good idea, though.
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Postby kg4boj » 9 Nov 2007 16:25

yes... but that measns more tooling, more$$$ and more to fail.
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Postby dougfarre » 10 Nov 2007 0:36

I mean, are there any products available that are able to impression/decode a picked lock while the lock is in its open position?
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Postby kg4boj » 10 Nov 2007 3:40

yes... a lot of people use a feeler pick... or a magna-scope, or for the smiths with bad eyes, they use a feeler pick and an opthalmascope.
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Postby kg4boj » 11 Nov 2007 3:25

Well... patent is going to fall through no matter how I do it.... http://ezpicking.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6478
that forum has a thumbnail to a first drawing of my device... good luck figuring out how it works :-) let me know if you think you have it.
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Postby robert11 » 29 Nov 2007 0:05

kg4boj wrote:yes... a lot of people use a feeler pick... or a magna-scope, or for the smiths with bad eyes, they use a feeler pick and an opthalmascope.


yeah i agree most of the people use feeler pick
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Postby Minion » 29 Nov 2007 1:01

kg4boj wrote:Well... patent is going to fall through no matter how I do it.... http://lockpicking101.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6478
that forum has a thumbnail to a first drawing of my device... good luck figuring out how it works :-) let me know if you think you have it.
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Postby jgor » 29 Nov 2007 1:50

Minion wrote:
kg4boj wrote:Well... patent is going to fall through no matter how I do it.... http://lockpicking101.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6478
that forum has a thumbnail to a first drawing of my device... good luck figuring out how it works :-) let me know if you think you have it.
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