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I'm now up to picking 2 deadbolts in less than 10 seconds

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I'm now up to picking 2 deadbolts in less than 10 seconds

Postby Kodack » 25 Sep 2004 18:09

I posted earlier about my first experience lockpicking with a kwikset deadbolt.

I found a more expensive deadbolt (still kwikset) and started practicing on it. After 5 minutes I got it open the first time. Then I found the trick and now I can pop it in 4 seconds. As a test I tried springing both locks as quickly as possible and got it in 9 seconds.

I've only been picking locks for 2 days, and even though kwiksets are cheap it's cool that I can spring them so fast.


I just wanted to share my experience.
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Postby Buggs41 » 25 Sep 2004 20:16

That is excellent progress Kodack! Keep with it, and always try to learn more. Just recently, I was able to get a lock with secutity pins to open. It sure is a great feeling when you accomplish something that many people have never attempted.
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Postby Allmytimerblongtothis » 26 Sep 2004 0:15

yeah 2 days and your allready down to 9 seconds? when i started i took a week before i realized i was overdoing the tension and started picking that fast and consistantly what guide did you use?
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Postby Kodack » 26 Sep 2004 2:58

Allmytimerblongtothis wrote:yeah 2 days and your allready down to 9 seconds? when i started i took a week before i realized i was overdoing the tension and started picking that fast and consistantly what guide did you use?


The visual guide to lockpicking 2nd edition. I have very large hands but I am dextrous from many years of video games and soldering small electrical components.

The kwikset locks are a joke. Raking them is so easy someone with advanced arthritis could do it. I can pick them in seconds using a rake, but I won't learn anything that way. So now I am using the small hook pick and trying it a pin at a time. Now I'm actually getting my fingers to learn the 'feel' of the lock, and getting my fingers to tell me what my eyes cant.

For instance, I've noticed that allthough both deadbolts look the same from the outside, the more expensive one has a very different feel to the pins. They are harder to push up, feel more grabby when they slide, and the lock just feels like it never quite broke in.

The cheaper kwikset deadbolt used to be on my front door and saw years of use. So it's pins feel light, and loose in their holes. When I get the pins on that one past the sheer point they just drop down without the spring very smoothly. The fingers actually tell me that the lock is worn a little, something my eyes can't tell from the outside.

I really like the tactile skill involved. It's kind of like trying to learn to read braille. When you start seeing with your fingers you start to notice things from a new perspective.

For instance last night I noticed that my desk vibrates ever so slightly when my hard disk isn't asleep, when it wakes up there is the slightest vibration, but no noise. I can now tell if my disks are in sleep mode just by touching my hands to the keyboard or desk.

I think touch is one of the under-rated and under-developed senses.
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Postby CaptHook » 26 Sep 2004 3:41

The kwikset locks are a joke.

While I know you think this now, one day you will run across one that you will have difficulty with. Im glad to see confidence, but me thinks you are setting yourself up.
Kwiksets are notorious for poor tolerances held in their manufacturing, but it doesn't make them complete junk, just makes them easier than some.
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Postby Kodack » 26 Sep 2004 5:04

I just disassembled the pin assembly on the more expensive kwikset, the one that took me 5 minutes on the first try.

I was surprised to find that the bottom pins are beveled! Now I'm confused here. My lockpicking book says that beveled pins are harder to pick, but that cheaper locks often used them to make up for manufacturing tolerances.

Wouldn't beveling the pins make them easier to set? If a pin was only partially set, the bevel would tend to push it into place wouldn't it?

Anyway, I'm done raking these for now so I removed a couple pins to make hook picking easier, and I replaced the metal cap with a piece of clear tape so I can actually see the pins moving now when I'm picking at it. I'm trying to train my fingers.

I have no doubt that there are good and bad for any manufacturer. I'm brand spanking new at this and the first two kwiksets I went at were about as secure as the locks you see on bathroom doors that open with a piece of wire or a coathanger. So from my limited perspective, they are crap.

I value the advice of you guys because you have much more experience so I believe you. I'll keep it in mind.
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Postby mcm757207 » 26 Sep 2004 12:36

Most pins are only rounded at the bottom so they ride easier on the key, but kwikset (due to it's cheapness) rounds off both ends. This has little to do with picking though, because the driver pins are never rounded, and that's the one that matters.
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Postby skold » 26 Sep 2004 18:39

driver pins are never rounded


again that is true with kwikset...all of my locks - masters, lockwoods, efco's, federals, and americans, have rounded drivers..

the only locks that dont have rounded drivers are my abloy's and bi-locks..due to the fact that they don't have drivers :wink:
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Postby mcm757207 » 26 Sep 2004 20:29

masters,lockwoods,americas,etc. do not have rounded driver pins. I am sure of this I'm looking at an american pinning kit right now.
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Rounded Drivers

Postby Beanybaby » 30 Sep 2004 17:53

The two Yale X5 6 pin locks I own have no rounded drivers at all, just two normal drivers and 4 :twisted: evil :twisted: modified spool type drivers.

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Postby mcm757207 » 30 Sep 2004 18:02

I don't think I've EVER seen a rounded driver... would create way too much tollerance.
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Postby Kigga » 3 Oct 2004 11:02

Are you a thief or trying to become one
just answer yes or no
no details are needed.

Yes i am a theif 8)
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Postby logosys » 3 Oct 2004 12:13

Kigga wrote:Are you a thief or trying to become one
just answer yes or no
no details are needed.

Yes i am a theif 8)


Well, congratulations. You should go celebrate with your local police department and share a cell with a guy named..... Wally.
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Postby Kodack » 3 Oct 2004 13:03

Kigga wrote:Are you a thief or trying to become one
just answer yes or no
no details are needed.

Yes i am a theif 8)


If your going to go through the bother of learning to pick locks, why not become a locksmith?

A legitimate locksmith might get a lock that's hard to pick so it will take a long time, but they learn from it and go on with their lives.

A thieving lock picker might get a lock that's hard to pick so it will take a long time but they get caught by the police because they took to long, now they hear "You gotta purty mought boy" every night.

Seriously I think your just troll posting.
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