Springloaded doorknobs

[eulachon]

Well now I can pick my 5 pin Schlage deadbolt in under 20 seconds (wasn't too hard after all) raking or single picking.

But my dorm doorknob defeats me everytime. It is a Schlage as well, and master keyed, with a few more wards on the key. To open the door you just stick the key in the knob and turn it (hard). I don't know if this is normal doorknob behavior as my house always had deadbolts. I have no idea as to whether I should put on lots of tension to overcome the spring or not. I can't even get one pin to set! I've tried lots of tension and hardly any, still no dice.

Searched, but found nothing relevant, sorry.

[Chucklz]

Your lock may need lubrication. Or, you may have an Everest system, in which case, you will need special tools. Check http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/everest/
to see if indeed you have the Everest system.

[eulachon]

nope, definately not the everest system, or schlage's sidebar system. It's weird, since I tried a deadbolt in my building using the same keyway and popped it in < 20s (it was surprising!). But this stupid doorknob won't go!

Tried my friend's door down the hall and no go either. All I've picked so far are deadbolts and one padlock (took me forever to get the padlock!), I suppose the knob would be more like the padlock, being springloaded and all.

[marso]

In australia alot of knockoffs use the same keyway as the lockwood. Mind you they are alot easier. How you do you know it is not an everest or sidebar?

[eulachon]

No unusual cuts or wards on the key - just straight wards from one end to the other (but quite a few of them...). Also, the little logo that is on the cylinder from that page is not on mine, if that means anything.

The wards are identical to the deadbolt I picked btw, the key fits in it as well, but it picks easily while the knob is hard.

Ah - here's a clue - the key says "wtrp" where my schlage C keyway practice lock says "C". Mean anything to you?

[Chucklz]

Hmm, could be a custom keyway, but that depends on the size of your institution.

I would tell you to go check the Schlage Technical manual for pictures of the different keyways, but the site seems to be down now.

Check www.schlage.com some other time though.

[stratmando]

Looks like a restricted Keyway:
http://bsiss.secaso.com/products/catego ... mber&d=asc

[MBI]

Sure smells necro in here.

[stratmando]

Seeing the Date now, I can smell it too.

[daniel22747]

I knwo this is an old thread but I wanted to point this out.

There is talk in this thread that sound like someone picking locks he should really probably not be picking.

When picking locks as a hobby one should only pick locks that you realy own. That means lock that you have bought yourself.

You do not own the locks in your dorm or apartment, nor do the other tennats. These locks are rented like the rest of the apartment and are thus intended to be use in the normal manner; ie a key.

The only time it might be ok to pick such a lock is if you are truely locked out cause you lost your key. Even then the land lord would probably prefer that you call a proffesional locksmith.

[MBI]

Still smells necro in here.

[dll932]

Peterson makes special tension wrenches for those. I didn't know that, so I made my own.