ideas for abloy exec pick designs

[idanhurja]

I did following type of pick for abloy exec (tight finnish keyway <0.7mm model).
https://youtu.be/BouryW_TjkU

Would be interested to learn if others have done similar/improved/different picks for this particular lock type.

[Wizer]

Moi!
Quite impressive, I must say.
Although I would like to see and hear more about your pick, I believe it is still forbidden to talk of such disc detainer picks here. (see site rules)
I am not saying your pick is not legit, but I always wonder if the videos I have seen are real pickings of the locks or merely dialing of the known combo (bitting).
I have that problem my self when practicing on Abloys or Abus, if I have seen the key, it is not really picking I do...

[idanhurja]

Thanks,

I studied forum rules before posting. Which of the site rules my post might be in confligt with? Only one that came to my mind is if exec pick is considered as an advanced pick and it should be discussed on more limited access part of this site. I considered it as intermediate level pick. But I am still very newbie in this locksport scene so can be wrong too.

Of course in the posted video I just dialed correct combination into the lock, one can not pick decent quality random lock with that speed. For a totally random lock picking will take much longer time due to false gates and maybe hardly moving disks etc practical things. When I put video recording on, i will get -10 to my pick picking skill
The pick I used is able to move all disks full forward /reverse turns. Pick contact to a disk is semi decent (still far from classic picks I have made). Pick is able to move between disks forward/reverse without disturbing a disk when passing it. By using it I have been able to pick 5 different exec locks I have (2 different keyshapes). Of course I have keys also for those locks and do the picking on table. If real picking is something you do with a lock that you dont have key into and you are same time running then this is not that I consider this kind of hobby as locksport: Nice quiz with varying challenge level. Even when you know the key you can try to verify if able to feel when a disk is in a true gate (i like that feeling many). If would pick only totally random locks that you own, you would need quite many locks & someone to rekey those for you.

Pick is not perfect thou. A pick desing using both keyway sides would be more robust what comes to disk handling. But that is more complicated with this lock model with <0.7mm middle keyway. And also need to consider way for the tensioning.

[billdeserthills]

If your posting had violated any rules you would know by now-- nice pick, btw

[idanhurja]

thanks!

done picks so far abloy classic, abus plus (model with front/rear butterfly disks & random tension), and this exec.
classic is my favourite so far, its so simply, robust and hard to pick lock!

[Squelchtone]

If your posting had violated any rules you would know by now-- nice pick, btw

We're still discussing it.

[idanhurja]

ok. my mistake. please remove these messages and my user account. tried to do it myself but at least using phone did not find a way to do it.
thank you!

[Squelchtone]

ok. my mistake. please remove these messages and my user account. tried to do it myself but at least using phone did not find a way to do it.
thank you!

I sent you an email to your email address, please check for it, or check Spam/Junk folder as well.

Thank you,
Squelchtone

[femurat]

The pick I used is able to move all disks full forward /reverse turns. Pick contact to a disk is semi decent (still far from classic picks I have made). Pick is able to move between disks forward/reverse without disturbing a disk when passing it.

That's all a pick needs to do. With practice you'll be able to open locks with unknown bittings.

Well done

[idanhurja]

I tested this concept for front tensioning. I dont know if others have used is earlier. Might be applicable for some newer abloy locks as well.
Seems to function ok.
https://youtu.be/2ccf-lfj7_s

[femurat]

I have to admit I'm frightened by glue in locks. You're braver than me!

Just to be sure I understood the concept, you glued the first two disks at the correct position? It's like using the first part of the correct key as a tensioner.
I'm wondering how someone would know where to position the disks before applying the glue, in an unknown lock.

Cheers

[idanhurja]

Not exactly like you wrote.
In exec the first disk (free rotating drill protection disk without true gate not counted) has always true gate at the same bitting. That is an over turning disk a bit same way as those front/rear butterfly disks are at Abus plus. So in every unknow lock this disk has true gate at a known position (1mm before movement end point as in ytvideo is shown). Actually this same concept will function in Abus plus too. Inm traditional exec front tensioning concept that same first disk is locked to the correct position by tensioning through keycontrol 'bumbs'. Then the lock is tensioned from that first disk. This requires pushing and is kind of compilacated solution when you have to release tensioning occasionally. Also hard to detect true gates when you have to push lock disks to a package.

In this 'glue concept' the first disk is first positioned exactly the same way as in that 'key bumbs' tensioning concept. Glue is applied between the first disk and that fixed disk frame inside those keycontrol 'bumbs' are (glue is not applied between first two normal disks). After glue is applied, the first disk is fixed to the true gate and can be used for tensioning the lock without need to push the lock disks.

After lock is picked, few seconds heating will burn the glue and lock will operate normally again. If you will gut the lock you can find small dark marks where that glue was applied.

If one tries this concept and 'key control bumbs' tensioning concept its easy to see similarities and differences. I agree if one is not familiar with exec detailed operation this is very difficult to understand.

[femurat]

Thank you for the detailed explanation, now I got it! It was very difficult to read the text over your video on my phone screen.

Cheers

[idanhurja]

Nice to hear that you understood the idea!
I agree, my videos are too hard to follow. They are more diary kind of documentation.
Also those texts were shown for too short time to read & think them.
Talking in videos would help too but but