Schlage Everest tools

[Ezer]

I made an Everest torque tool like the one Matt Blaze shows on his site, but I was having a hard time figuring out how much tension was actually being put on the plug compared to how much I was putting on the wrench I have inserted in the tool. Even putting much more pressure than I normally would on the tension tool, it doesn't seem like very much of the force is making it to the plug. So I ended up just making another that I insert in the plug and pick the lock as I normally would.

Here's the two tools I made. The one on the top is the one like Matt Blaze shows, and the one on the bottom is the one you just insert and don't mess with.



Here's the link to Matt Blaze's site. http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/everest/

Has anyone had good success using the same method as Matt Blaze, or did you end up just doing it like me?

Do you need to file down one of these tools for each different keyway? I haven't seen the other keyways to be sure, but it seems like with the tool cut so low it might work in the other keyways.

Has anyone gotten the Everest tool from Peterson? http://www.peterson-international.com/tensiontools.htm $50 is alot for a tension tool, but if you do need to make a different one of these for each different keyway, I could see paying that.

[raimundo]

using the toothpick tool as a tensor it probably twists and creates a binding force between the keyway wards and the cylinder wall, while just putting a tensor above it causes most of the torque to affect the plug.

[zeke79]

I actually have no trouble picking these with no tools but a standard hook and standard tension wrench along with a shorter hook to work with the check pin. Give it a shot, the everest cylinders are easier to pick than what you think. If anyone wants it I can shoot a video of myself picking an everest cylinder with standard tools and put it up on my site when I get a chance. It may be a couple of days before it gets put up on the site as I have been really busy with some family situations but I need to add a few things to the site anyways so I need to make time soon anyhow.

[Ezer]

That's why I'm wondering if I'm missing something here. Hopefully the way Matt Blaze shows on his site works for him or he wouldn't have put that on there, but I just don't see the effectiveness of doing it like he shows.

[Ezer]

My last post was about Ray's post.

Zeke, I don't have trouble picking them, but I haven't figured out how to work the check pin with another pick. I just use the piece I filed down for that. I would be interested in seeing a video of how to lift the check pin with a hook. Of course you have alot more picks to choose from than I do. So maybe it's one I haven't tried yet.

[zeke79]

I actually use a falle safe #3 hook on the check pin itself, but any homemade short hook will work. you can feel it when you hit it with the hook and you can also feel it when it is set for sure. I will make a short video tonight if I get a chance.

[Ezer]

How'd I know it'd be a hook from the Falle-Safe set?

[kodierer]

Correct me if I am mistaken, but it sounds like all shlage everest locks have them same position for the pin in the bottom of the keyway. If this is true any one can get a schalge everest blank, and make it into a tension wrench. As blanks are in no way restricted to the locksmithing industry, and are very cheap; Why doesn't schlage make different pin depths on that pin as well. It would be more high security in more than one way.

[vector40]

That's exactly what Ezer was doing, kod.

[ufd538]

The way the everest is designed, different pin lengths really aren't feasable, aside from that you could always just use the blank that lifts the pin the highest, and that would work on all of them.

You could have the lifting spot at different spots on the blank, but the peterson lifting tool would negate that.

But really all this talk of everest is null and void, because the primus line is Schlage's line of High security, everest is only meant for key control, though it offers a bit more security than the standard cylinder.

[wsbpress]

Previously I've been under the impression that you had to keep the check pin raised with a tool the entire time you are picking the Everest. However I noticed that you can pick this pin the same way you would any other pin. I used a small half-diamond (sideways) and CCW rotation.

[vector40]

You mean you can pick the lock, then just pop up the check pin? I thought it wouldn't even rotate enough to set pins if it wasn't up.

[wsbpress]

No, you can pick the check pin and then the other six pins.