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Weiser lock. "Push and Turn" locking type.

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Weiser lock. "Push and Turn" locking type.

Postby Truck » 7 May 2005 1:57

I know, I know. Many people have picks the Weiser deadbolts and get them open just by looking at them.

Well, not so easy with the door knob with the "push-in and turn" locking type. Here's why:

Forget to pick first. Because with the correct and ORIGINAL keys to open the knob, sometimes the knob cannot be open. The back knob won't POP open. I need to give a little push and a great amount of torque to get the door knob open. Is this a high security lock? Not at all. (Note: I did use Tri-Flow to lube the lock twice and the lock is brand new.)

Now, trying to pick is a bit difficult for the following reasons:

A. I cannot apply to much torque because it will blind the pins in the first place.

B. Even IF the pins are all set to the shear line, the tiny tension wrench flex too much to give enough torque to pop open the lock.

C. Sometimes I do not know whether the pins are set or not because, in order to open the lock, I require a little "push-in" plus a great amount of torque; thus, this has already interfered with reason A.

You think is easy to pick Weiser? Get one of those and Think again.

PS. You may NOT know what I am talking about, if you have NOT examine this type of Weiser lock.

I will answer your questions by reply it here and will not run away.
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Postby digital_blue » 7 May 2005 8:47

I have picked a good deal of these (they are the locks we most commonly use in my business) and I've never had that problem. However, I most commonly pick them in hands, not installed. I suspect that yours is a case of poor installation. Perhaps the bolt (is that still the right term in a knobset?) is being pressured by the door jam and causing this difficulty. Try applying pressure to the door maybe?

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Postby Varjeal » 7 May 2005 18:12

I have quite literally picked hundreds of the type of lock you mentioned, and yes they are quite a pain at times. The problem is that once picked, it takes the adding of a screwdriver to the mix in order to turn the plug. Sometimes trying to do so smoothly doesn't work. In this case, you must apply tension with the screwdriver in the plug, and twist the knob back and forth to get the inside knob to pop into the unlocked position.

Sometimes the inside knob is so worn or damaged it will not do this. Then it takes a different type of bypass technique to make it work. Technically it's not the picking that's difficult, it's the OPENING.

I do understand your frustration though...and it's all due to Weiser making cheap crap.
*insert witty comment here*
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Postby ftwvampftw » 5 Sep 2005 21:51

I had problems w/ opening the Pop and turn lock also in my garage door. So I did a search and I found this post. I did as Varjeal suggested:

Varjeal wrote: Sometimes trying to do so smoothly doesn't work. In this case, you must apply tension with the screwdriver in the plug, and twist the knob back and forth to get the inside knob to pop into the unlocked position.


and worked like a charm. First words from my mouther we're "hella yea". POS was giving me trouble. :D
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Postby ftwvampftw » 5 Sep 2005 21:55

Well I didnt see a "edit post" button.. but yea. Sorry for bringing back a dead post. I was just a little too anxious to post my results of using this method. =/
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Postby tshock » 5 Sep 2005 22:29

I have that same kind of lock on my back door. All it takes is about 15 mins of practice to get used to the lock. If your tension wrench is to flemsy to turn the lock, try using a flathead screwdriver to apply the torq.(while tension wrench is still inserted.)
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Postby kodierer » 9 Sep 2005 0:22

I must agree with the comment on poor installation, or perhaps just a stickier lock. While I haven't picked many of these I have picked a couple, and both of the locks I picked weiser door knobs with the push in, and turn lock.
The case when I have picked them was that the tension wrench turned them fine, and the picking wasn't hard. I just herd a pop sound when it unlocked. This was the same as when I inserted the key, and turned them they make a pop sound cause the spring pushed the turn piece probably attached to the cam back out. I haven't properly taken once of these apart, and examined it, but my best guess is that your lock has a broken spring. Assuming there is a spring, because like I said I am not real experienced with playing in weiser locks.
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