Tension Troubles.

[luke42]

Hey guys, i have a Abus 83/45 that i use on my school locker ( don't worry i know the drill... don't pick locks that are in use... though if my lock breaks i get a free one anyway and they get it fixed... a bit slack but the way i'm going now i can't even begin to pick it)

i stick the tension wrench in the slot (i'm using a street sweeper bristle) though it will go in and then as i apply tension it will slip and move completely out of place...

what is this a problem with? the bristle is not thick enough or something?



cheers in advanced guys,
luke.

[wolfie]

happens somtimes if the wrench is slimmer than the sidewarding it'll slide outta place, you can compinsate by cutting small notches into the sides of the wrench to get a better bite of the keyway.

[LearningTheArt]

I agree with wolfie, you could also try tapering it.

[ToolyMcgee]

So, let me get this straight. You don't mind if you break your lock because someone ELSE will replace it for you if you do in fact break it. That's not very ethical and most of what the "drill" is about is ethical. Then the parts about locking yourself out of your own stuff.

If I had to say I think your wrench isn't thick enough for the "slot". Get a new wrench, and don't pick the lock on your locker at school. Even if it is yours it looks shady and it's a bad idea.

[luke42]

So, let me get this straight. You don't mind if you break your lock because someone ELSE will replace it for you if you do in fact break it. That's not very ethical and most of what the "drill" is about is ethical. Then the parts about locking yourself out of your own stuff.

If I had to say I think your wrench isn't thick enough for the "slot". Get a new wrench, and don't pick the lock on your locker at school. Even if it is yours it looks shady and it's a bad idea.

thank you, mcgee. i know it doesn't sound all that great, but technically i paid for the lock so yes, it is mine to own, don't know if that was the point you were making but i rather not start a big arguement over the matter,

happens somtimes if the wrench is slimmer than the sidewarding it'll slide outta place, you can compinsate by cutting small notches into the sides of the wrench to get a better bite of the keyway.

is that easy enough to do? is there a link to someone doing it on this forum?



cheers,
luke.

[ToolyMcgee]

Technically you paid for it, or actually you paid for it? Ownership is a very simple concept to grasp and you have side stepped the direct answer with what you believe to be a technicallity. If they is Abus, then you should know they won't honor a warranty if you are jamming things other than the intended operating key inside. If they is your school and technically you own the lock because you pay tuition then you should go down to the office and see what they think about it.

If you are going to throw words around to justify something you know to be ethically "slack" then you should try to improve your grammar. The shift key is just slightly below your left pinky in case you were wondering.

About the toothed tensioners, if your wrench is too small to begin with then making it smaller isn't going to help your cause. Technically there is a link to the thread...

[globallockytoo]

You could simply use a longer tension wrench, one that sits in the plug deeper. But thicker is the answer as stated. 83/45 is a huge padlock for a school locker. If it supplied by the school, it is probably master keyed so the teachers can access it when they want (need). Should be easier to pick as a consequence.

[nostromo]

I'm with Tooley, luke42. Waffling over 'technicalities' to justify what you want to do is a habit to get out of as soon as you can. Do it on this issue, you might do it on others. It builds a reputation.

Say, if something gets lifted out of a locker and people remember you working on a lock in a public hallway, guess who the first person they think of will be?

[dougfarre]

ToolyMcgee=lame

[anikan_25]

yea i also agree with tooly, you shouldnt do this on your lock at school even if its yours and you dont care (although if it was provided by your school, I remember that at my old high school the locks were considered rented to us for an undefined amount of time, meaning even though we paid for them, the school could cut them off and take them if they needed to open our lockers) but if you do want to practice just buy another lock from your school, or ask for one from a friend, I know when i was in school i ended up with 3-4 different locks by the end of each year which i would sell to my friends who forgot their combos when september rolled around

[ToolyMcgee]

ToolyMcgee=lame

Ouch, my pride. How long did it take you to cook up that zinger?

I try to go out of my way not to directly insult people on the boards, because it makes me look like a jerk. I thought the point of this forum was to be cool and talk about technique. So what if I get a little carried away preaching to this kid because I felt like he was trying to get away with something and coping an attitude with me. Forgive me luke42 if I have accused you of something you aren't guilty of, but any hint of mischief making really gets me going. At least give me the right to lip off and apologize for it when I cool down if I'm proven wrong.

Honestly doug I would expect it from a teenager, but from you? Grow up.

[steve0527]

Go to the scrap yard and get wiper inserts from mini vans they are the biggest and it will solve your problem

[luke42]

Hey mcgee once again. and if you could call me just Luke instead of adding the 42 i'd appreciate it =)

to clear things up, we buy the lock from the school for $50 at the start of the year, as for Anikans comment, yes our school can tell us to open our lockers,
'We OWN our locks', though at the end of year 12 we are asked to give them back to receive $50. Also if the lock breaks for any reason such as a malfunction than the school will replace them free of charge. Though if we lose them we have to buy another one..... Hope that has cleared some stuff up on the matter, if not i'd rather that you pm'ed me instead of disputing it on the forums, which is not really needed, unless you are doing it to build some reputation of the good guy (Not saying that you are, but people do.)


i'll go get some windscreen wipers then i guess thank you steve!


cheers,
luke.

[ToolyMcgee]

Can do Luke.

I'm not trying to establish any rep. because I'm not any kind of a great guy nor do I care to decieve anyone into believing I am someone I'm not. I just get riled up when I think someone has personally justified doing something wrong and is proud about it. You proved me wrong and I am glad for it. Sorry for getting kind of righteous on you. I don't like the way everyone regurgitates the mantra of "the code". It gets old, but some people have to hear it. Let me tell you a secret... I have a lock on my tool box right now I don't have a key for. It was the only one I had with a small enough shackle to fit that wasn't a luggage lock.

You got your question answered right? The toothed tensioner is below the automotive tensioner here:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=17220
They are relativly simple to make, but like I said before they aren't going to help you cope with a larger keyway than your wrench can handle. Also, they are kind of rough on practice locks. Take it easy.

-Tooly

[luke42]

Could thank you enough Tooly!

yes i agree on people have to here it and yes i think i'm a bit ignorant for saying it but who in the world isn't just a bit!

will get started on making some tension wrenches this weekend!

Cheers,
luke.