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practice cylinders

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

practice cylinders

Postby sublime progie » 11 Jul 2005 22:13

I have yet to get a see through practice cylinder. mainly due to lack of money. I have decided that i am done playing around in the dark and i want to see what happens when i do what. my question is what is the best practice lock for the best price.

Also, can you change the pin configuation of practice locks.

Last question, and i know that this should technicly go into the buy/sell section, but why waist another forum on it. does anyone in the US have a see through practice lock that they want to sell.

I am going to be gone for the next two weeks so if i dont reply, obviously :oops: , that is why.
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Postby Shrub » 12 Jul 2005 5:00

Im supprised you have so many posts but obviously dont have any joy in picking yet? (i appolagise if im wrong)

The normal lock suggested for practicing is a Kwickset,

You can pretty much re-pin any lock but somthing like a kwickset is going to be the easyist,

Ive not seen that many see through locks at all, most just get a cylinder and mill a slot along the side so the pins are still captive but the shearline can be seen,

hope this helps a little and have a good holiday.
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Postby sublime progie » 12 Jul 2005 7:16

no no no. I love lockpicking. i already did the whole adding pins thing and everything.

I was refering more to this kind of practice lock: http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=271

no worries though and your apology is accepted :D I just kind of hit a funk in my progression and i thought it may help if i could see what i am freeling if that makes sense.
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Postby capt.dunc » 12 Jul 2005 8:11

the locks in the link you posted should be re-pinable, the core may be retained by a circlip, or failing that you could remove the spring retaining plugs and unload/ load the pins from the top. although you may have to make a new piece to retain the springs. i can't help but think that the pins binding in a plastic lock will feel different to what you're used to, the same problem may occur if you remove a section of the case on a regular lock to have a look.
try phoning the company and speaking to someone about their clear practice locks, see what they say, i guess you'll need to speak to them anyway about getting some extra pins, they seem to do spools, but what about serated (top and bottom pins) or mushroom drivers?

or what's your current mental block? someone here may have an idea for a training exercise to help, rather than buying clear locks.
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Postby n2oah » 12 Jul 2005 11:31

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Postby n2oah » 12 Jul 2005 11:37

"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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Postby Shrub » 13 Jul 2005 4:40

:lol: No worries, i thought it was strange,

Are stuck with spools by any chance? if so seeing what you are doing doesnt help, its the feel you need to learn, watching a clear cylinder lures you into a false sence of security and you tend to not actually pick properly with them,

Honestly, i havent used one and im sure a lot of others havent, if you are having trouble, there will be a cheaper way of praticing it, can we help?
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Re: practice cylinders

Postby Mad Mick » 13 Jul 2005 17:48

sublime progie wrote:...I have decided that i am done playing around in the dark...


Don't discount this method of learning....I'll get back to this in a minute...

Shrub's advice on the clear practice lock.....hmm....I too have never used one, but then again, I work with my hands and am used to manipulating tools out of sight. There are plenty of very good descriptions of how lower pins are manipulated, and the resulting actions upon the upper pins. The MIT guide explains this pretty well, but visual cues are sometimes needed by some people, in order for the pick/wrench/pin movement to be fully understood. The clear practice lock will show the process, but could lead you to become dependant upon sight as an aid. When the sight part is no longer available whilst picking a normal lock, you'll likely be back at square one.

Do a search for "security pins" and click 'search all terms'. The first page of results will probably contain most of what you need to know about the actual process.

Now for the dark part....
When I first started picking, sometimes, I'd just lay on the bed with the lights off and feel around in the lock (any lock) without applying tension.
Start by inserting the pick (try a half diamond, or hook) into the back of the lock, then slowly withdraw until the last pin is felt. Continue to withdraw the pick across the pins, but try not to move them up in the chambers...feel the pick rise and fall as it moves past the pins. Count the pins as the pick is withdrawn.

Next, again without tension, locate and gently lift each pin in turn. Feel the resistance from the pin springs.

Insert the tension wrench into the keyway (can be hard in the dark...a flashlight may help at first. Again, don't rely on a flashlight, as you are trying to develop your sense of feel) and apply very light tension...and hold steady. Insert the pick again, testing each pin in turn...if the tension is sufficient, one (or more) of the pins should offer a slightly increased resistance to that felt without the tension. If you are struggling to get the pin to move, reduce the tension slightly...if none of the pins offer resistance, increase the tension slightly.

Continue to apply the same constant tension and slowly push up the pin...as the divide between the upper & lower pins meet the shear line, feel the very slight movement upon the tension wrench, which is caused by the plug rotation, since the upper pin is no longer 'blocking' the shear line.

Release tension...you will hear a click as the pins reset. (you are not trying to open the lock at this point, you are trying to develop your sense of feel)

Repeat the setting of one pin, until you can pretty much predict when the plug will rotate, before it happens.




This process helped me. Other methods, such as the one offered by a working locksmith, which suggested using hand lotion and feeling everyday objects which you normally take for granted, may also work. You just have to try all the avenues until you find something that works for you.

When the time comes, you'll know it. I'm sure you'll let us know too.

Good luck, sub,
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Postby Shrub » 14 Jul 2005 4:26

Everyone has their own way but i learnt in a simular way to Mick, i sat/sit on on my armchair watching TV, i dont look at the lock and as if by magic they come open, sometimes i open them without realiseing and my hands just sort of hover there until my brain catches up or the show im watching finishes :lol:

My problem is having to cart an armchair and TV to every job i go on :lol: :lol:

We are not saying dont get what you want or that you have to do it our ways but you could save your money.
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Postby sublime progie » 24 Jul 2005 22:48

well as i am a college student i am all about saving money. thanks for all of the advice and suggewstions.

Shrub, i am actually kinda stuck of spool pins. well at least security pins. i am fooling around with an american lock that i bought while mywe dropped my girlfriends brother off at westpoint. i know the first driver pin is serated but that is about all. However, my mental block really hits with the fact that although i have picked many locks i still have a couple that i found on day one that i have not been able to get open. and i know that they are nothing to special as far as dificulty goes. What really throughs me for a loop is that i have a padlock that i have picked once and i have never been able to get it open again. i think i may have broke it :oops:

I dont know if this has a whole lot to do with it but i practice almost exclusively on padlocks as the are easy to take with me.

any more great advice would be appreciated as i really enjoy this hobby and i would like to make a career out of it someday perhaps.
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Postby sublime progie » 24 Jul 2005 22:50

sorry hit the submit button too soon. Now i have something to do while im laying bed at night. (cant ever sleep :roll: )
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Postby Shrub » 25 Jul 2005 4:06

I get security pins set by overlifting them and then dropping them into the shear line :wink:

Some locks are opened by a bit of luck, when you close them they just seem to never be picked again, some of its mind set, you think it wont open so it wont, keep having a go, youll get there.
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Postby sillyboy » 27 Jul 2005 13:12

I one day last week tried to make my own practice lock. Turned out to be the same as eating soup with fork.... a lot of work but you stay hungry
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Postby Chrispy » 27 Jul 2005 19:55

sillyboy wrote:I one day last week tried to make my own practice lock. Turned out to be the same as eating soup with fork.... a lot of work but you stay hungry

How did you go about making your own practice lock? What did you do? How did it end up? What lock did you use? Elaborate.....
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Postby sublime progie » 27 Jul 2005 20:15

wow, i find myself agreeing with crispy about more and more thinks by the minute. silly boy your silly :roll: ........i mean who eats soup with a fork, really?
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