The incredible schlage exit device

[clayton1123]

I know for a fact that it's not electric because the original owner would have told us, but he didn't mention it. The exit bar looks different, i'm not sure if that makes a difference but it probably does. I only used the handle in the picture of my original post so everyone had an idea of what the cylinder looks like. I would post some images of my door but i'm not sure how to post the pictures. I'm using Jasc Paint Shop. Any help would be much appreciated. [/img]

[clayton1123]

ok, i made an account at photobucket and don't have the time to set it up and post the pics properly so I downloaded the two I thought mattered the most and thought I would give you the password and name, which are both lp101. (very original ) If this works please post saying it does.
http://photobucket.com/login.php?action ... name=lp101

[clayton1123]

oh yeah, It has six pins.

[HeadHunterCEO]

von duprin 99 w/trim

could have a switch kit in it to trigger alarm ,mag release etc

[clayton1123]

When I try to pick it the core hardly moves.(almost not at all ) The pins are really hard to move and bend my homemade pick. It's a real challenge. Any advice/websites/etc. would be great

thanks you guys,
Me

[HeadHunterCEO]

you see how that rim cylinder is cocked 10 degrees in the door?
takes 45 degrees of roataion to pul the latch back on a 99
you are 1/4 of the way there when the cylinder is in the locked postion.

poor installation

that is most likely the problem.
(also stop beating your picks up. If you are breaking picks then you ain''t doing it right)
you have understand how it something works to effeciently bypass it

when you insert the key and rotate it you are turning the tailpiece which in turn is roataing a cam inside the device.
the cam is attached to the spring loaded latch.you turn the key, the tailpiece turns the cam and the latch retracts .

now if the rim cylinder is not lined up correctly with the cam on the panic device a binding condition will occur. the same way you are trying to cause a binding action on the pins wityh a tension wrench the cam is causing at the back of the cylinder via the tailpiece.

[Einzee]

. the same way you are trying to cause a binding action on the pins wityh a tension wrench the cam is causing at the back of the cylinder via the tailpiece.

So this means that the cylinder is "preloaded" with tension and therefore a tension wrench is not needed?

[HeadHunterCEO]

. the same way you are trying to cause a binding action on the pins wityh a tension wrench the cam is causing at the back of the cylinder via the tailpiece.

So this means that the cylinder is "preloaded" with tension and therefore a tension wrench is not needed?

No it means it should be fixed

[clayton1123]

Any ideas on how i could fix this? or should I leave it?

[illusion]

hhmmm... if it's what I think it is...

Unscrew the latch mechanism at the back of the door, and remove it. Now turn the cylinder so it is in the right position. Put the latch mechanism back on, and slide the tailpiece into it.

The thing that baffles me, is that your profile said you were a locksmith.

[clayton1123]

sorry, I should have put future locksmith , i'm a diamond in the rough still.

[illusion]

No biggie

[searsman05]

These things are expensive. I just got done installing a Von Duprin surface mounted vertical rod exit devise at a church and wow, when i looked at the list price of $1495 I was amazed. But on this one i did not install a outside lock.

But Even then I would imagine that they are just using a normal 5 or 6 pin schlage cylinder.


-James

[HeadHunterCEO]

Yeah IR gets top dollar for their stuff but it sells because it is durable
we are an actual Ingersol Rand shop

Stock a hell of alot more arrow 1250s though because you don't always need to go with the big guns.

[jeremy]

Von Duprin and Schlage are both Ingersoll Rand companies, so it is not unusual for a Von Duprin exit device to have a Schlage lock cylinder. However, it should be noted that many other types of cylinders could be used, and the keyway is the only consideration in picking.

Since you have a Schlage lock cylinder, we'll talk about Schlage lock cylinders. They come in many keyways. All of their pin-tumbler lock keyways are arranged into two multiplex key systems. The "classic" system and the Everest. Most common is the classic, but Everest lock cylinders are becoming common in businesses these days.

So you want to know what key blank to use for a bump key?

Within Schlage's "classic" key system, the 'C' keyway is by far the most common. I believe this is what you have. 'E' is the second most common. There is also a key blank that will fit into any keyway in this system. I believe it is the 'L'. It's kind of thin, in order to fit them all.

Schlage original keys in their classic system come stamped with a letter on them to identify the keyway. Keys and key blanks by other manufacturers often come with the same letter or with some other identification code.

If it is indeed the 'C' keyway, and has six pins like you say, the Ilco key blank code is SC4. Do you get good results with bump keys?