Bumping ehh? Try this:O)

[LockNewbie21]

I think the most important thing here is, that as a lockpicking community were all talking about it yes.

But there is also threads were doing based on our knowldge to attempt to dampen its effectiveness.

My idea was not the best but it got us all thinking, one day fella's, co

[Stray]

I know this would be completely impractical in a lock but if it were possible would it prevent bumping...

Say each pin was Like the suspension from a car. they all have their springs but when being pushed in there is some sort of air pressure that keeps it from going in quickly. Doesn't have to be a perfect seal just enough to keep some resistance.

So as the pin is pushed up there is a tiny place for air to escape so the faster it is hit, the harder it is to push up.

Then on the way down any vacuum can be avoided by a simple one way valve.

This would mean the key can be inserted at regular speed but if someone tries to bump it there would be no "pool ball" motion. the top and bottom pins would be constantly in contact.




Or instead of all that, just make the pins so that can only be separated during sideways rotation.


Yeah too much thinking with not enough knowledge. (Sorry if anyone else has thought of that and i just recopied what they said)


But with all this bumping stuff why not just stay away from the locks that can have that done to them and use another mech alltogether...

[d_goldsmith]

I just posted an idea kind of like your first one, and then read this and was inspired again to make a graphic of your second idea.

[d_goldsmith]

The key could only turn one way, so you would have to make a lock mechanism that could do lock and unlock in the same direction (somehow).

[d_goldsmith]

We were talking about picking under water in the blindfolded picking thread and someone suggested the water would have a hydraulic effect and could be the solution to bumping (living under water).



I just checked that thread again and apparently they inspired Romstar too. Maybe his idea is even better than mine

[globallockytoo]

I have been looking at the bumping video's on youtube, and it certainly worries me. I actually had a bump key in a kit i got years ago from a friend, but never knew what it was for...

Lock Picking is an art, bumping is more for the less trusted of society. If someone can find me a bump proof lock I will go and replace the ones on my house without a question.

Just my 2 cents.

Bilock is bump proof! and competitively priced. But they dont make a cylinder for Kwikset locks

[globallockytoo]

I know this would be completely impractical in a lock but if it were possible would it prevent bumping...

Say each pin was Like the suspension from a car. they all have their springs but when being pushed in there is some sort of air pressure that keeps it from going in quickly. Doesn't have to be a perfect seal just enough to keep some resistance.

So as the pin is pushed up there is a tiny place for air to escape so the faster it is hit, the harder it is to push up.

Then on the way down any vacuum can be avoided by a simple one way valve.

This would mean the key can be inserted at regular speed but if someone tries to bump it there would be no "pool ball" motion. the top and bottom pins would be constantly in contact.




Or instead of all that, just make the pins so that can only be separated during sideways rotation.


Yeah too much thinking with not enough knowledge. (Sorry if anyone else has thought of that and i just recopied what they said)


But with all this bumping stuff why not just stay away from the locks that can have that done to them and use another mech alltogether...

I like this idea. It seems practical however I think the cost might be obtrusive to manufacture and the end user would probably not pay the high cost. Good ideas....keep 'em coming.

[JackNco]

2 things here "spring" to mind... ok sorry ... anyway

As for changing the key... i see no point as u could just file it down to make the "valley" steeper, i always stick a sharp step at the bottom when i make a bump key anyway.

As for stronger springs. what about a mixture of Strength springs?

If u hit a bump key 2 hard its as bad as not hitting it hard enough. so if you have a mixture of strength keys then i assume that there would be no default correct amount of energy to hit the bump key with?

Correct me if im wrong?

John

[Lauren]

Some European manufactures have all ready solved the problem of bumping with some simple design solutions.

Design 1: Random pin depths drilled into the plug (this means that a bump key can't distribute it's energy to all pins at the same time).

Design 2: Secondary, heavy spring loaded (a plug spinner won't work) top pins. If the lock is picked or bumped, these trap pins lock the plug with the corrosponding holes drilled into the plug. The lock would have to be drilled out.

Let's use our talents to invent new solutions to prevent bumping. We all know bumping works and requires barely any skill.

Lauren

[JackNco]

Some European manufactures have all ready solved the problem of bumping with some simple design solutions.

Design 1: Random pin depths drilled into the plug (this means that a bump key can't distribute it's energy to all pins at the same time).

Design 2: Secondary, heavy spring loaded (a plug spinner won't work) top pins. If the lock is picked or bumped, these trap pins lock the plug with the corrosponding holes drilled into the plug. The lock would have to be drilled out.

Let's use our talents to invent new solutions to prevent bumping. We all know bumping works and requires barely any skill.

Lauren

OOOH i think ive seen them on a toool video. where it basically destroys the lock if u bump it from pins that lick at about a 30° turn. thing is they wont give any locks to toool to find a way round it and they wont spend on loads of locks 2 break on a single pick/bypass

[globallockytoo]

Design 2 is sheer stupidity....if there are holes in corresponding positions to the key spacings on a different part of the plug...then the plug would be trapped on it's first turn by the correct key...with the top pins falling onto these holes.


Sounds pretty fishy to me....I dont think so Lauren.

[JackNco]

nope ive gott side with her ill see if i can dig the video out later

[shane733]

Take the springs out and replace them with something like a spring loaded shock on a car but much smaller. Might work. Works normal at slow speeds but the force is absorbed when bumped. Something like a piece of memory foam or flexable rubber inside a spring.

[Deathadder]

how about you make four (or five if it is a six pin) pins come to the normal stopping distance without a key in or anything, and one that is significantly above the rest, like the picture. the higher one could be randomly placed, (except the front of course) and you could even mix the heights of them all or something... if this doesnt work let me know lol.

[Lauren]

I didn't design the pin trap concept, I just know that it's being used in Europe. Hell, if it works, let the end user suffer the consequences of having to drill the plug.