LSS+

[Shrub]

There are lots of people around with the govt edition,

I dont see anything in it that would not be suitable for a locksmith, theres no NDE tooling as such that we dont know about and theres no extra material thats worth reading as such which will tell you any great secret on any particular lock, dont forget its not a instruction manual its a referance stroke 'almost catalogue with tips',

What it does have is video demostrations of John Falles restricted tooling and i suspect that one of the conditions of him doing that is that it is locked for goverment issue only, apart form the falle stuff theres very little that i would consider needing to be hidden from view if anything at all, sure theres other vids and info in the text but nothing that isnt discussed here to some extent and nothing that hasnt been superceeded on other forums,

That said however there is stuff that i would expect a hobby picker not to be shown or need to be shown and as the locksmith version is readily available to anyone i suspect that the line was drawn and its kept to,

I used to work full time for the goverment in a flame and explosion labortory and have full clearance to buy lss+ gov, i do any security work they require and am still on the books as an employee,

[quicksilver]

There is another thing about the LSS product that I'd like to make a little comment on; the actual software that they used to produce it....it is called Folio. (That's what produces the ".NFO" files in the program.)
Folio is a presentation and database package that supposedly has a very strong encryption algorithm as a layering access mechanism. But the problem is the same as placing a magnificent lock on a plywood door. The lock may be great but the door is rather insecure......

To be perfectly honest; I really don't see what the "Government" section has in it that any locksmith should not see. I saw it and I really don't feel that the information contained therein had anymore potential for abuse than anything else that would be commonly available. What's more a lot of the older versions floating around were designed for win9x (?) So be careful what you actually BUY!

[Shrub]

Its not the security or lack there of that the folio thing falls down on its the fact that its at best merely just useable, its a pain in the arse reading lss hence why i watched the vids but have never read it,

I will one day set the phaser gogin and simply print it out and be done with it,

[quicksilver]

Its not the security or lack there of that the folio thing falls down on its the fact that its at best merely just useable, its a pain in the arse reading lss hence why i watched the vids but have never read it,

I thought that was only me.... I completely agree with the reading issue. What's more I don't want my opinion to be taken as a overall put-down of the product. It's a great product in some respects. In the "Locksmith" section, the "wax-impressioning" demonstration wherein they demonstrated the use a mold for key duplication could be very well redesigned to be used in the field for a broken key repair, etc. Realistically I had expectations of something much more utilitarian though out the entire piece; that's just my perception. Perhaps making specific commentaries on any piece of software in such a narrow niche market would yield similar results.

A wise fellow whom I had once known said "you can't be disillusioned unless you have illusions in the first place".

[TheDuck]

LSS section of John Falle Tools as well as others are restricted by two divisions. (less public) Locksmith level gives tools that can fuction in this industry. On the other level most of the tools are for the making of devices / key blanks that could be considered a patent violation. Advertisement ? Yeah
But the program is about bring specialty tools to the people that need them and to limit or restrict the information from the public.
Kinda need to know.

[Legion303]

I'm not insulting anyone here, but I wonder how people on this forum would obtain the government edition of LSS+? I emailed marc on the matter a few weeks ago and he said he would only sell govt version to me if I were working at breaching dangerous rooms and buildings for the government... Do we have spec-ops guys among us?

There are some here. I also have gov't contract friends who can (and have) bought it from Marc. I have not seen the videos, though. :(

-steve

[ForFun]

I wish i could get ahold of a government edition, but if I cant how good is the Police edition?

public
locksmith
government

those are the levels. There is more information than you can get through in any reasonable amount of time. Any addition will be a useful addition to your library.

Locks, Safes, and Security: An International Police Reference
I found several copies available at ABEbooks.com

[TheDuck]

Any Government employee that aquires any information by vertue of his security clearence and then gives or shares that information to anyone other than another Government employee is in violation of U.S.P.A. and they are risking not only their security clearence but their employment. As well as Jail time depending on the event.

[Schuyler]

Any Government employee that aquires any information by vertue of his security clearence and then gives or shares that information to anyone other than another Government employee is in violation of U.S.P.A. and they are risking not only their security clearence but their employment. As well as Jail time depending on the event.

That includes information retrieved from private companies? Makes sense that it would, but interesting none-the-less.

[rewt]

hmmm... mr. tobias is just trying to protect himself, know what i mean?

it is at his discretion

[midwest]

Is there anyone willing to sell the government version of lss+

much appreciated.

[Legion303]

Midwest: buy it at security.org.

-steve

[tacedeous]

Midwest: buy it at security.org.

-steve

LOL

So I just completed the foley-belsaw course... and was wondering if its certification, was enough to get the locksmith version, or if i had to get an actual licence from bsis?

T.I.A.

[zeke79]

Your foley belsaw course should be enough. Be sure to let Marc know you are a member of this site also as that may help out a bit too.

[tacedeous]

Will do... cant wait... I think its funny how people about its price tag, I personally woulde be more for this tool, I mean book...