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My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby MrWizard » 15 Oct 2012 5:57

I just realized I have one of your youtube video's with yours on the table. I recognized those fabulous barrel keys and the great dark patina on your Smith & Egge with the chain very nice. I save the videos I like just in case they disappear off the site. Hope that is ok with you. :)

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 15 Oct 2012 19:03

Keep the downloads, Richard. I'm glad you like my posts. I also wrote a serious of articles for "The Independent Locksmith Journal". I hope to write more.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 16 Oct 2012 21:51

This Yale, 4 pin push key padlock is an interesting case study. This particular lock was most likely manufactured prior to 1930 based on the cast key logo. These padlocks are mostly found in a steel and bronze material, although all bronze versions were made. I was able to open this lock by inserting some shim material between the lock body and the cylinder,though the cylinder and hasp are really one component. Hasp tension can sometimes be used to open these padlocks while quickly scrubbing out a rake pick across the bottom pins. This technique or even single pin picking may not be as easy as one might believe. Yale had the foresight to manufacture their top and bottom pins with tiny serrations causing them to bind and false set.

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My Yale padlock was another Ebay find sold without a key and should be a testimony of "buyer beware". Because these locks have a nickel-silver material for the bottom pins and the keys were made of a much harder steel material, the bottom pins are very susceptible to wear, causing the keys to no longer work. The problem becomes even more complicated when certain pins represent a zero depth cut. As with my lock, the second bottom pin was a zero cut and wore down further than the working tolerances will allow. Now the top pin traps into the cylinder.

After the lock was shimmed open, I discovered a unique square hole in the bronze button present on the top of the lock. This button reminded me of the seats often found in many faucets, which meant the button may have threads as well. So, I made a tiny seat wrench out of bar stock. The button did have threads and once removed the hasp spring was revealed. This hasp spring also retains the cylinder. I soon learned that my lock is actually a re-keyable padlock. In order to completely remove the hasp/cylinder the hasp spring must be pulled slightly out at a 45 degree angle, but not removed. Even the slightest protrusion of this spring into the cylinder hole will prevent the cylinder from coming out.

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At this point, I can replace the second pin and make make a new key. The process is merely academic. After I collect more of these push key locks l will post some pictures of some of the keys as well.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby GWiens2001 » 16 Oct 2012 22:31

Thanks for sharing, Lauren, great pics. Did not realize that serrated pins were used that far back.

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 18 Oct 2012 10:54

Here is a "Corbin" 4 pin, push key padlock with an original key. This lock can be shimmed open as well. I have yet to take it apart. I used the original key to make a traced copy. This key blank can be used for my "Yale & Towne" padlock from my previous post. I found the perfect material to make the copy. This material has strength and the exact thickness of .042 inch like the original key. I made the key from a mason's trowel sold at a big box store. This steel key shown in my picture has a nice glass-like sound unlike softer steel.

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 19 Oct 2012 10:14

I used my homemade steel flat key blank (shown in my last post) to make a working key for my Yale & Towne, 4 pin tumbler, push key padlock. I used a small round file to make the cuts. A factory key would be .040 thick and with a width of .285 inch. I was able to resolve my #2 pin problem by making my key .295 inch wide. My lock has the tolerances that would accept a wider key keeping all of the original pins.

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After reloading the lock with the springs and pins and trying the key for the first time, I was thinking to myself how awful it would be if I didn't cut the key correctly. With a wider key blank there is less movement in the cylinder. The binding forces of the key simply required the utmost precision in cutting the key to minimize friction between the cylinder, pins and the lock body. The only way to dismantle these locks is to first pick, shim or have a key that has a head no wider than the width of the cylinder.

Overall, I am happy with the result. The lock and key work great. I see that Ilco/Kaba makes commercially available keys for these locks; steel 1239 or nickel silver 1030. It would just be my luck that they don't make them anymore even though they show these keys in their PDF.

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 19 Oct 2012 19:54

On Jan. 09, 2012 I posted a topic about making a key for my miniature Yale swing lever padlock. I was never happy with having to take the lock apart in order to make a key. But I told myself if I ever got another one of these mini locks again without a key, I would do it the proper way, and that's impression the lock. The trick is, to do it without scraping the levers or internal wards. That's why I made a test key from a H51 Ford blank before making the final working key. I like to use a 4" grinder locked in a vise to grind out my steel key blank with great precision. The steel key was ultimately buffed to reduce friction on the levers and to minimize wear. The finished key works perfectly.

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby MrWizard » 20 Oct 2012 16:00

I really like that particular Yale Push Key lock with the 3 hole key head on the body. I was bidding one just like it seems I was lax in attention and it went away. :wink:

Do you still have all 10 fingers looks dangerously close to that grinder in the vise routine. Where do you get steel and what kind is it that you make these keys out of?

Amazing how good they come out using that grinder. How many times has it yanked the key out of your hand while you get a new manicure. :D

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 20 Oct 2012 16:42

Yes...the grinder is very unsafe, but it takes risks to truly make something unique. Thank God, I have losts any fingers. I've cooked skin from holding the metal piece too long though. A can of cool water is essential.

I uses scraper blades or trowels sold at any big box stores for the steel. I use 1500 grit sand paper and buff the piece on a buffing attachent on my drill press.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby MrWizard » 20 Oct 2012 17:46

When you say scrapper blades are you taking about the wide replacement razor blades that fit in a long round handle scarper with the bike like rubber grip? or a wide putty knife like scraper And trowels like for smoothing concrete?

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby MrWizard » 20 Oct 2012 18:05

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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 20 Oct 2012 19:49

Blue carbonized steel is what I use. It's tempered. There's different metal I use based on the thickness of the key blank I'm making. I don't use puddy knives or razor blades.

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Floor scraper blades (6" replacement), Masonary trowel with rounded lip. These are my favorites.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby MrWizard » 21 Oct 2012 1:10

I use to be a big risk taker but the older you get the more wiser you become and know the odds are against you using tools in a way they were not designed for. I have a small affordable bench top rockwell production vertical belt and disc grinder for just such an occasion to shape small metal items into perfect forms. Being able to place the piece flat on the grinding table to free form it is the safest way but times you have hold up off the table to get certain areas and yes you better have some water right there. Just when you feel cocky and think you are in full control of doing something you have for years without a major accident is when the inevitable happens. Great job on those keys I give you 2 thumbs up and hope 2 thumbs stay connected to your hands. :mrgreen:


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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby Lauren » 21 Oct 2012 8:51

Perhaps, I need to clarify something, Richard. I don't use the grinder to make the bit cuts on the key blank. That's insane!

Show some pics of your tool of choice, please.
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Re: My home made barrel key collection (& how to)

Postby MrWizard » 21 Oct 2012 10:16

I know you aren't making the cuts on the key with that. LOL
You are just grinding the perimeter of the blank it looks risky. :wink:
I have mangled my fingers many times doing the same thing that I have gotten away with day after day for years and then one day thinking all is well WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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