Bumping an Iseo cylinder with a few methods - videos

[illusion]

Okay so I found out my digital camera will record video up to 20 seconds long and without sound the other day...

So anyway I got some videos of me bumping my Iseo 5 pin Euro-profile cylinder with various methods using the "minimal movement method" (wrong term perhaps?)
and thought I'd put the up here.

The first method is using an idea I had of using a bicycle spoke with a piece of wood attached to the top as a bump-hammer... I've tried a few different types of wood, but the one I am using was made of cheap pine, and although it seems to bump fine I feel it lacks weight slightly - oak being a good candidate next perhaps.

http://files.filefront.com/rapid_hammer ... einfo.html

The next one is using a simple martial-arts palm-strike to bump the lock... it works but I had to try and play about with different striking force before I got it quite right.

http://files.filefront.com/tiger_claw_b ... einfo.html

This one is using a flicking action to bump the lock - this kind of hurt after a while, but had some pleasing results. (ignore the palm-strike bumping at the end, I forgot to turn the camera off )

http://files.filefront.com/flicking_ski ... einfo.html

I hope you like the videos... I would have used more than one lock to bump, but couldn't remember where I'd left the bump-keys for them... found them in the end

I just wish I could record more than 20 seconds though... oh well

enjoy

[workstation]

Your videos are great; magic, even. They demonstrate how bumping is one of the few non-destructive entry methods that requires only one tool.

It also demonstrates how alarming bumping is as a way for criminals to overcome locks! If a burglar's carrying a pick gun and a torque wrench, that is evidence of his criminality if he's caught, but if all he needs is a a slightly malformed 999 key, which could actually be the true key to his own front door, he's much more likely to try non-destructive entry. Furthermore, NDE surely carries a much lower chance of being caught.

Bumping with the hand doesn't even look very suspicious. I have seen (and used) badly cut ordinary keys that require more manipulation to open their lock than your bump-keys do!

I wonder if police forces are aware of what bump keys even look like?

Another thought that has just occured to me is that dimple-locks are yet again more vulnerable than the ordinary type, since for a dimple-lock bump key, one could have false dimples with random depths drilled on parts of the key that do not actually touch pins. This would disguise the bump key very effectively as an ordinary key. Incidentally, there is actually a post somewhere on the forum about an automobile anti-theft device, where the _manufacturer_ has drilled useless dimples in the key.

[conker]

that's pretty cool, i'll have to give that a try... an interesting method

thanks for the great videos and ideas! [/i]

[toomush2drink]

How do you find this when the lock is fitted to a door ? I only ask this as i was seeing how you applied torque to the key, like many things its different with the lock fitted to a door.Im not critising just curious as i discovered myself picking locks on the right is a killer for myself being a lefthander .Its a great example though and something i should put more time into as i see a lot of iseos near me.

[illusion]

Thanks, just don't do the flicking.

Left some nice bruises on my finger the next day

[illusion]

How do you find this when the lock is fitted to a door ? I only ask this as i was seeing how you applied torque to the key, like many things its different with the lock fitted to a door.Im not critising just curious as i discovered myself picking locks on the right is a killer for myself being a lefthander .Its a great example though and something i should put more time into as i see a lot of iseos near me.

You'd like it round where I live... most locks fitted to the left

To be honest the idea of bumping locks save a few dimple ones always seemed like a bad idea if it is being done for a customer, but perhaps it bears consideration?

[SS454]

That video was fascinating. I'm completely new to the concept of "bumping".
But there's something I don't understand. How is it that the key can rotate continously in one direction?

[illusion]

hmm.. the key does not continue in one direction - it spins 360 degrees and then the pins setttle in their neutral position... I showed off and bumped it first time each time the cylinder reached 360 degrees so it looked like it was turning continuously.

I think that's what you're on about anyway...

[SS454]

hmm.. the key does not continue in one direction - it spins 360 degrees and then the pins setttle in their neutral position... I showed off and bumped it first time each time the cylinder reached 360 degrees so it looked like it was turning continuously.

I think that's what you're on about anyway...

Ahhh...I see. My mistake. I was thinking you had to bump each pin, and...uh.....I don't know what I was thinking.LOL!

I'll go search the forum for the technique. Still a bit confused.

[illusion]

hmm.. the key does not continue in one direction - it spins 360 degrees and then the pins setttle in their neutral position... I showed off and bumped it first time each time the cylinder reached 360 degrees so it looked like it was turning continuously.

I think that's what you're on about anyway...

Ahhh...I see. My mistake. I was thinking you had to bump each pin, and...uh.....I don't know what I was thinking.LOL!

I'll go search the forum for the technique. Still a bit confused.

navigate your way through this:

http://neg9.org/shmoocon/shmoocon05_cd/ ... eying.html

hope this clears it up somewhat

[bonez]

ben what type of bump hammer are you using!

cheers.

[illusion]

ben what type of bump hammer are you using!

cheers.

Lmao

A piece of wood on the end of a bike-spoke lol
I'm amazed it actualy worked...

The other hammers I used would be my hand

[SS454]

hope this clears it up somewhat

Awesome! Thanks, man.
I get it now.
It doesn't look like those should be hard to make at all. All you'd need is a vise and a dremel. Or a file.

You could just place the key in the vise, flush with angle you want to cut, then file down until you hit the vise. Making a nice neat cut. It shouldn't even really take that long considering brass is so soft.
I guess it may gum up your tools though. But no biggie, They can be cleaned or replaced.

[illusion]

hmm... I used needle files and a vice to make mine, and simply used a key which already had a 9 cut on it and cut a new key with each cut as a 9.

the key took perhaps... 30 mins to do.

[horsefeathers]

can i ask how much you took off the shoulder...in mm? 2mm seem ok?

Out of all the practise locks I have in the garage, can I find a ISEO??? Can i bugger!

regards

wayne