4 pins but not 5

by **the_real_ninja** » 30 Dec 2006 0:32

So i bought a double cylinder 5pin yake lock the other day and have taken one apart and repinned it a couple times to get used to having pick security pins. (The lock has one spool pin) Anyways i can pick the lock constantly with it having 4 pins (1 security, 3 regulars) but not with 5 pins. I have repinned the locks many times over with 4 pins and can pick it consecutively, but when i try it with 5 pins i just cant seem to do it. For some reason its alot harder for me to pick it with 5 :cry:

. Can anyone give me any advice on this?

by **le.nutzman** » 30 Dec 2006 2:42

What type of security pin are you using when you repin the lock, serrated or spool? I know it might sound trivial, but each pin provides a unique aspect to the lock. In the case of the spool pin, you may have to set that pin first before you can successfully set the others. And depending on the placement within the plug, that could have something to do with it. I read yesterday in an older thread how locks that are used alot will have more wear on the pins towards the front so sometimes this results in picking the lock from back to front.

Something else to possibly consider is what kind of tension are you applying, and is it a constant or a pulsating application.

Just some things that came to my mind right away.

by **Squelchtone** » 30 Dec 2006 3:21

the_real_ninja wrote:So i bought a double cylinder 5pin yake lock the other day and have taken one apart and repinned it a couple times to get used to having pick security pins. (The lock has one spool pin) Anyways i can pick the lock constantly with it having 4 pins (1 security, 3 regulars) but not with 5 pins. I have repinned the locks many times over with 4 pins and can pick it consecutively, but when i try it with 5 pins i just cant seem to do it. For some reason its alot harder for me to pick it with 5 . Can anyone give me any advice on this?

and you call yourself a real ninja? jeez..

nah, just kidding, welcome to the forum! Yale is a decent lock, but your particular plug may have a misalignment in the pin stacks, so adding a 5th stack of pins changes your binding order. Try picking from back to front with light tension, and as you said you have a security pin in there, and you've got that down, so try to readjust your picking order to acoomodate the 5th set of pins. Some companies do drill their cores dead on, which may be true for your 4, but the 5th one may be off.. take it apart and have a look. Alternatively, you may be overlifting pins 1 thru 4 as you attempt to pick pin stack 5. are you using a regular hook pick?

good luck and keep us posted,

Squelchtone

by **the_real_ninja** » 30 Dec 2006 4:06

Well the security pin is a spool. It just seems that with 5 pins, its alot harder to find the binding pin. I use a standard hook pick when im picking and i apply constant tension until i find the security pin, then weaken it accordingly until i can set it right.

I can also take Sam Fisher down blind folded if that answers your question of me being a ninja

by **the_real_ninja** » 30 Dec 2006 4:06

Well the security pin is a spool. It just seems that with 5 pins, its alot harder to find the binding pin. I use a standard hook pick when im picking and i apply constant tension until i find the security pin, then weaken it accordingly until i can set it right. It

I can also take Sam Fisher down blind folded if that answers your question of me being a ninja

by **the_real_ninja** » 1 Jan 2007 4:01

Woohoo i picked the 5 pin. Seems my problem was locating the security pin :roll:

. Being that i repinned the 4 pin, i always knew where the security pin was. However on the 5 pin i didnt. Anyways time to start repinning the lock with 5 pins and hopefully start introducing more security pins in. Only problem is i dont know how to pin it so i dont know which pin is which. Any advices?

by **Deathadder** » 2 Jan 2007 20:05

Well, the first thing that came to my mind is to fill out your location, that can usually help with what kind of locks and such you'll be dealing with. As for the pinning, just rearrange(?) the pins each time you do it. Say you pin it one time with pins in this order: 1,3,5,2,4 Next time try 3,5,2,4,1. Thats pretty much the most you can do in that situation. The best thing to do, however, is to just buy a few differently keyed locks, pick them a few times, and try to remember (or write it down) how each pin behaves. Then take it apart and compare what happens while you're picking to what's actually inside the lock.

by **serpentballz** » 2 Jan 2007 22:09

hmm now im wondering what a lock with 5 security pins would be like lols. i mean, not much difference to the key-holder, but would be hell to the picker :twisted:

by **Deathadder** » 2 Jan 2007 23:45

Usually locks dont have all 5 pins as security, but leave one normal, because when you have all the pins as spools, the lock becomes loose. This is because where they shaved the metal away for the spools, it allows the cylinder to turn a little more than average. To the uninformed consumer, this seems "sloppy", and thus not worth buying. The normal pin also (to me at least) makes it harder to pick, because you have to first find out which pin is the normal one, and which are security, which can get annoying. If you want a good lock that gives an example of this, get the brinks shrouded, it is a real quality lock if you want to use it, and a tough one if you want to pick it (4 top pins are spools with serrated ends and 4 bottom pins are also serrated) It is also fairly easy to disassemble and repin (you will go through a few drill bits though) if you are having trouble with it.

by **jiggler** » 3 Jan 2007 2:32

the_real_ninja wrote:...i dont know how to pin it so i dont know which pin is which. Any advices?

buy 2 more and pin them at random - then choose one at random.
pin them and then wait for a day or two before picking them and you will have forgotten where the security pins are.

You will normally see the first pin is a normal one a a security pin in 1st position can cause trouble getting the key in. Although I have a cheapy unbranded 5 pin cylinder with 5 security pins in it.

You shouldn't have too much trouble picking any pin tumbler lock if you have a key for it and it's pinned as per the key - just look at the key and you'll get a good idea of where to set the pins.

by **the_real_ninja** » 3 Jan 2007 23:23

Ok thanks for all the advice you guys, ive tried doing Deathadder's method and it seems to be helping a bit. However picking just spools seem pretty monotonous now , and hoping to add some serrated pins to my lock. Do you guys have any advice on any affordable locks i can buy that would have them?

by **Deathadder** » 4 Jan 2007 22:45

serrated pins aren't used nearly as much as spool pins, same with mushroom. If you want a very challenging lock with I believe to be all three, get a tricircle. If you want something a lot easier try a master #140, it has 4 pins, 3 spools and 1 serrated (according to parapilot). If you want something still different from the mushrooms, serrated, and spools, go for a brinks shrouded, as I said before the pins are a combination of spool and serrated, kind of like this

Code: Select all: ________ | | - - | | | | | | | | | | | | - - |________|

by **Deathadder** » 4 Jan 2007 22:46

dangit, that came out good in the preview

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