i need a better challenge

[n.peffer]

I have been picking for 3 days now and i can already open 5 pin deadbolts and 5 pin "front door knob" locks in less than 10 seconds. What is a good brand/type/make/model of lock that will supply more of a challenge? I dont want the hardest lock in the world, but i need something that will at least take me 10 minutes or so. Oh yea...I have a basic 5 piece pick set, so i cant do tubulars or anything like that.

[Chucklz]

Schlage deadbolt or mortise cylinder for more of a challenge. When you say you've been picking these 5 pin locks, they wouldn't happen to be Kwikset would they? If so, pick up a few Master Padlocks, as they will present more of a challenge. Btw, you CAN pick tubulars with just a turning tool and a small half diamond.

[n.peffer]

thanks for the reply.. and yes, they do happen to be kwikset, and from what i've heard, they are the easiest. I guess i'll have to pick up a few paster padlocks and some schlage deadbolts...and by the way..what type of master lock...i have head different things about type 1's and 5's and was wondering which to get. Thanks

[Grudge]

You may also want to check out some padlock recommendation under this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=1752

[Chucklz]

the master 1, 3, 5, 6, 21 locks are all 4 pin, all the same cylinder. Just get whatever is either cheapest, or is a good size for your hand. Dont go buy any off brand though, they may have spool pins, and that really makes beginning hard.

[n.peffer]

i have tried a 4 pin marlin padlock and could do it quickly: are those easier than master?

[Dosk3n]

i would say about the same most 4 pins are quite easy id say if u can do 4 pins verry easily start to take a look at the abus brand padlocks

[Eyes_Only]

Try the grade 2 high security schlage dead bolts. Four out of the five rows of pins in that thing uses spool tumblers, plus the key way design makes the picking process a lil more tricky.

[khoveraki]

Sounds like am empty brag to me…

Whether or not you can actually pick so-and-so locks in ten seconds, it's irrelevant. Unless you plan on being a petty theif/anarchist (AKA idiot) then time is not of the essence.

Unless of course there's a baby in that vault...!

[Prof3ssor]

I highly disagree khoveraki. Speed can often be attributed to the lack of failure attemps. Therefore I use it as a general guideline to assess how skilled I have become. Of course raking is much faster, but that is also a skill. More in timing than in feel. So The basic principle of faster times equals more skill is still relevant.

[ryan_the_hero]

try picking them with my tools...a steak knife and dentist's plaque scraper. its far from easy but i got a Belwith shackle lock in about 20 minutes. not sure if those are crappy locks or not so this may not be any help at all

[salzi684]

If you ever get the chance to buy a Best SFIC padlock I would recommend it. The one I have has seven pin columns and is the most challenging lock I own that doesn’t have security pins.

The Schlage is a good idea but, if you have never worked on a Schlage key way before, I would recommend taking the core and replacing the spool pins with regular pins. When I first started picking Schlage locks I found the keyway to be a little awkward, but with a little time you'll get accustomed to it.