Papaiz pad lock (mushroom pins)

[ultra_corpse]

i am a beginner (i started last week) i have opened a couple of easy master padlocks and some droor locks. I have this papaiz padlock and i was wondering if there were any techniques on how to open this. i went to the website papaiz website and it said that there were mushroom pins, if that helps clarify anything. i only have picks that i made out of a metal rake so telling me waht kind of pick to use would not help much.

thanx in advance

[wildwriter]

When picking these locks, the pins give the impres- sion that they have broken, when in fact they could be a long way from breaking. You can tell whether or not you are picking a pin tumbler lock that has these pins by the fact that the pins seem to align so easily with a louder than normal click. The cylinder seems eager to open but to no avail. Use very little tension on your torque wrench to bypass the fake break in the pin

To my imagination the pins would be machind like this
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| |____Impression of break point
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||____True break point
||
V

Hop the diagram clears up why it is hard to pick and how you are being tricked

Good luck

[wildwriter]

that is a mushroom pin.....it give you the feeling that the pin has set

[Chucklz]

Thats actually a Spool pin that you have posted, an Abus spool pin, to be exact. Your picture is from www.crypto.com Please try and give proper credit next time.

[Mad Mick]

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.../....... \
./______\
|_______|

Now THAT's what I call a mushroom pin.

(Just ignore the dots.)

[ultra_corpse]

thanx guys that helps a bunch, i haven't got it open yet but i'm not getting pissed off cause i think all the pins are done and it still won't turn. thanx alot!

[Chucklz]

You have been "trapped" by the mushroom pins. Try pushing up on each individual pin. You will find that one or more pins wants to return the plug to center when pushed on. These are spool pins that are false set. Reduce tension so that you can set these pins, and then continue. Unfortunately, many times you will unset another pin or two in the process.

[Varjeal]

I would also add that Papaiz padlocks are notorious for having spool pins in ALL positions.

Good luck.

[skold]

Varjeal is right no papaiz padlock has a mushroom pin

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.../....... \
./______\
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Now THAT's what I call a mushroom pin.

(Just ignore the dots.)

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[Mad Mick]

Now, THAT's a mushroom pin!!

[GrEmLiN]

Hm, ya learn something new every day. I haven't begun picking yet but at least I know what I'm in for and how to pick it. Thanks for your indirect help.

[FunkyGuy]

sorry but I still dont get how the mushroom pins stop you. I remember having all the pins up a lock and still not being able to turn it, so I lowered the tension and saw a few pins drop and slowly pushed them back into the shaft. -- still nothing. I havent been able to get the lock. But I dont udnerstand how a spool or mushroom stops you, if its going to be in the shaft, what other way would you put it there to make it work sorry for such a repeated question.

[plot]

Funky: in the "Master Keys" section of the MIT guide, their is an excellent illustration of a mushroom pin at work.

(MIT guide can be found in the FAQs section)

[lockcsi]

sorry im a bit late... here is what is going on in your papaiz padlock.

you can clearly see the spool pins are in every chamber. The spool pins are small so they aren't too hard to bypas with light tension. The key is in so the pins are at the sheer line. Another tip that is very important to picking a papaiz...... i *think* all or most of the padlocks are keyretaining and they will only pick to the right. Good luck.