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Help needed for a 3 lever uk lock

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Help needed for a 3 lever uk lock

Postby drupac » 14 Apr 2004 9:39

Hello all... i need help in picking the lock of an internal door fitted with a 3 lever lock. I have no experience in lock picking but i have no other way of opening the door without an expert as all keys have been lost. What equipment will i need? Any help and guides would be much appreciated. Drupac
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Postby Chucklz » 14 Apr 2004 10:02

I am certainly no expert on UK lever locks but, I can help point you in the right direction here.

First... what brand/model of lock do you have? This may be imporant in opeining it.

2. Is there a key in the other side of the lock? Opening this then is a matter of a bent piece of wire.

3.) Most lever lock tools are quite expensive. Take a look, for example at these jigglers/try out keys http://www.multipick-service.com/en/start_en.htm

John Falle does make a set of Lever jigglers for 3 lever locks, but you have very little chance of being able to purchase them.

After you open the door, wouldnt you like a key for the lock? I know I would. If you consider just the cost of buying tools and the cost of practice locks and time it will take you to learn how to use the tools, you are better off calling a locksmith. The only exception here is if there is a key in the other side of the door.
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Postby drupac » 14 Apr 2004 10:20

I am unsure of the brand of lock as it was already in place when we moved in. There isn't a key on the otherside of the lock so i can't use the method you suggested. Because all keys to the door have now been lost i would simply replace it with a complete new lock rather than getting new ones sorted. I do not have the money avaliable to a call out a locksmith. Are there no other ways of getting in without using specialised tools?
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Postby Dark Angel » 14 Apr 2004 11:39

You could open this lock with two picking wires,one to lift the levers and one to throw the bolt.
You can see a picture of these wires at my web sight.
Click on the link below and then click on the lever picks section.

http://www.geocities.com/blade02456/MAIN-PAGE.html?1079716822200

These locks are quite simple to open if you know what you are doing,but if you have never opened one before and have no idea how they work then you have not got much chance of opening it.
In case you fancy trying here is how it is done?
First up you will need two wires,the ends on both wires should be bent at right angles.
You then insert the first wire into the lock,right to the back where you will then need to turn it slightly to catch the notch in the bolt.Once you have done this you then insert your second wire and push this to the back of the lock.
Now whilst applying tension on the bolt with your first wire you must then try and lift each lever in turn until they all align,when this happens the bolt will give and the lock will open.
This sounds pretty difficult but it is quite simple when you know how.
There is also another pick that will open this lock which is the two in one pick,this can also be seen at the link above.

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Postby mbell » 14 Apr 2004 15:33

Nice site Dark Angel

Also, I've had some success with 3 lever try out keys. I was lucky enough to get some from a locksmith so I made some templates a while back:
http://mb7.net/lever.jpg.

Scale may not be correct any more but I have the original AutoCAD files:
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Postby Chucklz » 14 Apr 2004 15:39

Why not see if you can work something out with a member here who is in the UK. IE, they get the lock, you get the door open.
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Postby harry » 26 Apr 2004 9:03

Drupac.. hi i'm a locksmith in the midlands.
there are two quite simple ways of opening your 2 lever lock if your still having problems..

1st if the door opens outwards compared to the side you are on get yourself down the local hardware and buy a 1mm grinding disk these are made for tin and mild steal but work grate on 2-3 and 5 lever locks even Bs3621. take the door handel off (if your lock is a sash lock) and just grind of the bolt usually there is no damage to the door or frame with the 1mm disk.

2nd take an 8mm drill bit and start above the keyway work towards the door and pray for luck that you hit the gating or the stumb 1st try
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Postby Safekey » 26 Apr 2004 11:14

Harry. That was probably the worst advice I have ever heard a Locksmith give anyone.
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Postby mbell » 26 Apr 2004 16:02

Safekey: I knowthis site dosn't allow personal 'attacks' on others, but I see what you mean.
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Postby Mad Mick » 26 Apr 2004 16:55

I don't see it as a personal attack, just an honest opinion upon the advice offered. "Praying for luck" is what you offer to someone who has no other possible options......
Image If it ain't broke.....pull it down and see how it works anyway!
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Postby Safekey » 26 Apr 2004 17:20

Sorry... It was not my intention to attack anyone in any way. :(

Drilling a lock can be just as difficult as picking, but giving advice to just drill anywhere may/will give those newbies looking for guidance the wrong impression. More so, when it comes from a locksmith.

Dont drill, just pick !
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Postby jason » 27 Apr 2004 9:32

I think that Chucklz came up with the best advice.

Drupac how do you know it's a three lever lock - if it's warded (which are very common on interior doors on houses built in the UK there is very little to worry about) There would only be a lever lock if the house was built after about 1950 or was "improved" by a carpenter.

As regards the comment about drilling, I personally don't think that was the best advice that could have been given, but to each his own.
sledgehammers make excellent back up picks!
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