Help with SPP

[PuffBallz]

I just started lock picking, and raking is the only thing that's worked
i tried spp but i find that if i ever get it to set it'll just fall when i go for the others. In all the forums experienced members seem to love the rewards of SPP

so my question is

What are tips to help somone devolop there SPP, and what are the biggest mistakes most people make when attempting it

thanks in advance

[jgor]

Check out digital_blue's excellent beginning lockpicking excercise: viewtopic.php?t=10677

Basically you'll start by repinning a lock to have only one pin, then work your way back up as you develop the feeling for picking single pins. It's a great way to learn what a binding pin feels like, so you know what to feel for in normal locks.

[taracor]

Well it sounds like you are setting the pins that aren't binding the hardest first. That could explain the pins falling back down. That, or maybe the pressure on the tension wrench. Are you sure it's constant? The pins bind because of an offset that could be the thickness of a hair. If the wrench bounces or a pin is bumped, the pin could fall down.

Or, possibly, you're dealing with security pins, but with those I doubt raking would have worked.

I remember I had problems single pin picking a too when I first started. All I can say (and this is very cliche) is practice. You'll eventually figure out how to do it, and how to overcome your problem..Try a different lock maybe? Some locks are just more troublesome than others, even if they are the same model. You'll get it eventually!

[PuffBallz]

thanks im gonna try to by the lock take it apart and do the one at a time thing.. it sounds like a good way to learn it
thanks guys

by the way what serperates normal pins from security pins do they feel or look different?

[poor paperclip picker]

normal pins are just cylinders. Where as security pins can be spool (looks like an "I", they can be mushroom(looks like a mushroom) and there is serrated (has several small lines cut in it).

The purpose of security pins is to false set the pins. This means that the pin will act like you have picked it, but it won't open the lock. To get pass this, when a pin is false set, you will notice some resistance when you try to push it up further. So lay off some of the tension and push it back up.

Also check out this thread to learn more, and there are pictures
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=17879

[robert11]

normal pins are just cylinders. Where as security pins can be spool (looks like an "I", they can be mushroom(looks like a mushroom) and there is serrated (has several small lines cut in it).

The purpose of security pins is to false set the pins. This means that the pin will act like you have picked it, but it won't open the lock. To get pass this, when a pin is false set, you will notice some resistance when you try to push it up further. So lay off some of the tension and push it back up.

Also check out this thread to learn more, and there are pictures
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=17879

Yeah i am agree with you

[le.nutzman]

The rewards of SPPing a lock, well for me, it's about getting the thing open mainly. There's been so much talk and contraversy over the differences between SPPing a lock and raking it open. It really only matters to the individual because in reality, each technique whether anyone else out ther wants to admit to it or not requires a certain amount of skill, and depending on the lock, one technique may triumph more times than the other. It's about personal preference.

Somewhere, I believe in the Got Questions forum, I responded almost to the same similar posting on SPPing, addressing security pins and whatnot. Folks, if you're going to give information about how to beat a security pin, give people ALL the information, not just a two liner and call that effective. Now I can see why you have the screen names you have.

To the OP, if you search through the Got Questions forum, you're going to come across a couple different postings about security pins, tension and what not. There will be far better explainations on how to defeat them then what you've been provided, sorry I just don't feel like typing it all out, again, for the umpteenth time. Or, try the search function, it looks like it's working again after so long, and simply search "Security Pins" (without the quotes of course!)

SPPing relies moreso on the binding pin which will dictate the order in which you pick the lock as someone has previously stated, you may have just been setting the pins in the wrong order. The biggest hassle with security pins is because of the security measures, once they catch, they will actually transfer the bind to a different pin while still remaining falsely set. This is why a two line answer to your original question is so inadequate. Just letting off the tension a bit isn't always going to fix the problem. Perhaps the person who wrote that quote will learn a bit more about how binding pins are affected when security pins are used. Sorry, it's all been said before, you're best bet on becoming better, is reading and constantly practicing. There is nothing anyone else can tell you that you're not going to already read on this website. No secret tricks or cool by-passes, just practice and reading.

[le.nutzman]

Since it wasn't buried to deep in the other forum, I went and C&P'd it for you.

To the OP, dealing with security pins works like this:

Spool pins: When you false set them, you'll get more than normal plug movement and then a dead stop in plug movement. HOWEVER, lighten the tension but remain constant, and continue to life that pin stack and you should see and feel the plug start to rotate backwards like it's trying to reset itself. This is actually the spool pin overcoming the lower lip that it's caught on. Once the spool pin clears the lower lip of the spool, the plug will again rotate forward, but not nearly as much as the false set. If you continue to attempt to lift the pin stack at this point, it will feel like a very solid stop. This security pin is now set correctly.

Serrated Pins: These will be harder to deal with, and the only real way to deal with them is through proper tension control. When you false set a serrated pin, it will feel like a solid stop correctly set pin, HOWEVER, if you let up on the tension while keeping it constant, the pin stack will continue to rise and either set correctly or false set on another serration. Again, you have to continue to adjust the tension appropriately and you can overcome the serrated pin.

Something else to keep in mind too is that by false setting a security pin, it will transer the binding pin to another pin. And that pin will bind again. Just some things to think about.

[Ofnir1]

I just started lock picking, and raking is the only thing that's worked
i tried spp but i find that if i ever get it to set it'll just fall when i go for the others. In all the forums experienced members seem to love the rewards of SPP

I started out with SPP and had a heck of time with raking lol. Though my real probelm was with tension, once I figured that out, I was able to rake easily

So yeah, with SPP, you only need to add a bit of tension. If you think you've added too much tension, use your pick and light turn the other way so you can see how much you've turned in the way you want to go. This helps me out when I'm having trouble