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Maybe I'm a Natural?

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Maybe I'm a Natural?

Postby openfacesurgery » 27 Jun 2004 17:51

Don't jump to conclusions reading the subject line i'm not bragging or getting cocky in any way, shape or form. I'm just excited. Now with the disclaimer out of the way let's move on :D .

I've been interested in lockpicking/smithing for awhhile and I've finally gotten around to practicing in the last week or so. The first time I attempted to pick a Master Padlock (I believe it was a #3) it took me maybe 5 minutes. In about a week I was down to about 5 seconds, maybe less. Then I tried a Kwikset door lock and it took me about the same amount of time the first time and a week later I got it in about 20 seconds. Then I tried the Kwikset Deadbolt and had pretty much the same result with that that I had w/ the doorlock. Afterwards I took the lock out of my basement door and tried that. The lock is older than I am (almost 28) and in very poor shape (so bad even lubricant spray didn't help much) and that one was a little more difficult.

Now, like I said, i'm not getting cocky because judging by what I've read people have more problems picking their nose than picking a Kwikset (sorry, that was in bad taste) but for someone new I think this is still pretty good, no?. The point is I took the advice from several sources, read over several things several time (MIT Guide, Visual Guide to Lock Picking and How to Open Locks W/ Improvised Tools...), started off easy and will work my way up from there. I bought a higher security padlock and wound up having a little more trouble with it but I did get it in little time. So what i'm trying to say to newbies from a newbie is to take the advice of everyone here and in these guides and you will get far, fast. I received the package from Varjeal and will be working on that next. This definitely looks challenging.

Personally I prefer raking/scrubbing to individual pin picking but I did do both to make sure that it wasn't a fluke of the Dyno Kwik pick which I also purchased. Not so many people are as fortunate as me because I have a 40 hour a week job where I do about 5 hours worth of work a week (and it's really not fun believe it or not) so that gave me the opportunity to read and study this forum and the above mentioned guides/books about 4 or 5 times a day for a week and a half. But the point is they really do work and reading them and studying them many times in advance really worked for me.

I do have a question though. I tried to pick the back door of my house, which opens inwards, and the lock is too close to the siding on the house to be able to maneuver the tension wrench (the lock takes a full turn to open). The handiest thing I had was a bicycle spoke which I found can be used from reading the MIT guide. I cut it and filed it down and it seemed like it was going to work perfectly but even when I put the right amount of torque on the wrench it bent into a spiral and wasn't working well after that. Is there a way to harden the steel or am I just wasting my time in doing all this? Should I just cut the handle on an extra tension wrench I have to save time?
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Postby funboy79015 » 27 Jun 2004 19:01

Congrats on your success.

It sounds to me like you are using to much tension if you are bending a bicycle spoke. Work on using the least amount of tension needed to get the pins to bind.
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Postby Chucklz » 27 Jun 2004 19:56

You will find that a Schlage lock is much less forgiving with regard to over tensioning. Best of luck.
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Postby CaptHook » 27 Jun 2004 20:11

Order a peterson u-bend it wrench set, it is several strips of varying thickness's and a little bending tool. I find the thin strips (very springy) work well for locks with obstructions such as a doorjamb. Bend the end 3/16-1/4 for the keyway and then you can bend the "handle" side whereever a bend needs to be. Peterson steel can be bent several times, so keep a couple strips seperate just for the times you have the need for an odd shaped wrench.
I prefer a wrench to be as long as I can get away with, so I normally dont bother cutting them down, just bend it.
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Postby Zaphin » 27 Jun 2004 23:14

I had the same problem turning my tension wrench on a lock once before also, the solution is pretty simple. I'm assuming you have some sort of pick set and have the typical L shaped wrench. Hopefully you have enough room to stick the wrench in and pick the lock to the point where the plug has rotated off the line of the other pins, once at this poing just take the wrench out and stick the longer flat end of the "L" into the lock and crank it that way. You have much less leverage, but it gets the job done. I hope this answer actually helps.
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Postby Guitar_J » 27 Jun 2004 23:21

you could possibly pick in the opposite direction and use a plug spinner. Or keep some pliers and wiperblade inserts handy and bend them yourself, the kit mentioned earlier by peterson sounds cool but if you're on a budget, this may be the route to go...
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Postby openfacesurgery » 28 Jun 2004 7:55

Many thanks for the comments and advice guys.

Chuklz - I've read all about Schlage locks and I'm sure it will be quite the challenge.
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Postby Ice » 9 Jul 2004 2:36

Sorry, am I missing something here, or can you not just insert the tension wrench facing the other way? (ie. if siding is on right side of lock, insert the tension wrench so the handle is on the left side..?)
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Postby openfacesurgery » 9 Jul 2004 9:14

Ice wrote:Sorry, am I missing something here, or can you not just insert the tension wrench facing the other way? (ie. if siding is on right side of lock, insert the tension wrench so the handle is on the left side..?)


It's that it requires a full turn to open the lock so hitting the siding is unavoidable.
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Postby Murph » 30 Jul 2004 22:10

How about this, when you get the plug turning could you replace the tension tool with a small screwdriver to complete the revolution to open the doorlock?
I'm no expert but it I hope it's a good thought.
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Postby Demosthenes » 30 Jul 2004 23:01

How about this, when you get the plug turning could you replace the tension tool with a small screwdriver to complete the revolution to open the doorlock?

Thats basically the same thing Zaphin said. Just use the 'handle' of the wrench instead of a screwdriver.
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Postby skold » 30 Jul 2004 23:05

i have that turning problem with my lockwood 777's...i used a lot of oil and iit turned out the bolt was way too close to the catch thing's side..

small screwdrivers suck and don't work at all
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Postby Serethipas » 7 Aug 2004 0:59

you could use the way i use for pulling deadbolts,once the plug begins to turn,i take the tension out,and stick in a thin screwdriver

i belt my last tension turning a deadbolt after it was picked :oops:
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