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cheverolet car locks and kwikset pin tumble

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cheverolet car locks and kwikset pin tumble

Postby Z3R0 » 14 Jul 2004 22:26

.... once again .. another noob for someone to help ... :wink:
i havent tried picking the door locks on my camaro yet .... but i have tried picking my front door ... a kwikset pin tumble. i can get all 5 pins but i dunno why it wont open... maybe the the tension wrench isnt placed or set right like it should be. I have made a spade shaped pick from a hacksaw blade (thinned it down a bit). wen i have reached all 5 pins and try to unlock it ... it doesnt unlock :?

i can get some pictures of the pick and tension wrench i have made tomorrow (Thursday July 15, 2004)

maybe someone can show me how to make a better pick perhaps. But saddly i cant find my carbide bit :cry:
so i am stuck i suppose ... i have grinding bits(stones) but it takes forever!!

Tips, hints, usefull info. on the best style of pick to create other than a spade pick...

l-l3lP!!!!
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Re: cheverolet car locks and kwikset pin tumble

Postby WhiteHat » 14 Jul 2004 22:35

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Postby Guitar_J » 14 Jul 2004 22:36

1) Don't try to pick your camaro... you could end up doing costly damage... not only that... but I think that most GM locks are sidebar locks(for those more in the know.. please correct me if I am wrong) and you can't pick them without drilling AFAIK (at least thats what Foley-Belsaw taught me :-) )

2) Can you turn the plug on your doorknob and it just doesn't unlock? or it just doesn't turn? if it just doesn't unlock but does turn... you're picking in the wrong direction... you have sucessfully picked the lock, but are turning in the wrong direction for it to unlock.... try picking the other direction or search for "Plug SPinner" on the forum.. should give you a good idea of what to do... if it's not turning.. then you're not setting the pins... keep trying...
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Postby CaptHook » 14 Jul 2004 23:29

Your pick is probably fine, just make sure it is smooth. Your technique and knowledge are your stumbling blocks. Read the mit guide, several times, go to the howstuffworks site and find the animation of picking a lock. When you understand what needs to occur, then you need to practice and get a feel for what you are doing inside the lock. Im guessing you are pushing the pins all the way up? And yes, it should be a sidebar on the camaro.
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Postby Z3R0 » 15 Jul 2004 6:09

[quote="Guitar_J"]1) Don't try to pick your camaro... you could end up doing costly damage... not only that... but I think that most GM locks are sidebar locks(for those more in the know.. please correct me if I am wrong) and you can't pick them without drilling AFAIK (at least thats what Foley-Belsaw taught me :-) ) quote]

does it matter if my camaro is a 79' Camaro? I know most older cars are a bit different and more simpler than today's newer GM cars... but i am also looking @ replacing them anywho, because i bought it used of course; and the only key the guy i bought it from was the ignition key... i have to use a flathead screwdriver just to open my trunk... and if i lock my doors .... i dont have the key ... luckily i havent locked them .... but i do not want to continue doing this because there are some sneaky theives around here.

also:
wen i turn the pin tumbler to the left to unlock it it doesnt turn at all.
does it matter if the pick is too small? or can it be too small?

ill have some pictures of the picks i made this afternoon (Thursday July 15, 2004 (2:00pm EST))

thanks a lot ... cya this afternooon
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Postby WhiteHat » 15 Jul 2004 6:54

picks can be too small. you may be inadvertantly touching the pins towards
the front of the lock when you try to pick the ones at the back. but the most
common problem with people new to lockpicking is applying too much
tension. it's a delicate thing... sometimes I have to force myself to only
apply a miniscule amount of tension - it helps (me anyway) to think "no, I
don't care if this openes or not" - and somehow, that usually get's me the
right tension... wheras if I'm telling the lock: "open you! open!" I'm
usually applying too much tension.

for your first lock, try to just get a feel for the pins first, without putting the
tension wrench in. the excersises in the MIT guide are quite good for this.
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Re: cheverolet car locks and kwikset pin tumble

Postby WhiteHat » 15 Jul 2004 6:57

Z3R0 wrote:.
Tips, hints, usefull info. on the best style of pick to create other than a spade pick...

what's a spade pick by the way?
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Postby Guitar_J » 15 Jul 2004 9:28

z3ro: I think they've been using sidebars since 1935 so... it probably has one...
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Postby Varjeal » 15 Jul 2004 9:44

Not quite sure what you mean by "getting" all five pins, but if the plug doesn't turn, you haven't picked it. From your description it sounds like the plug needs to be turned to the right, in which case once picked you may need a small screwdriver to apply additional tension to the plug in order to turn it fully to the unlocked position. This is a common procedure for many locks and especially deadbolts.

GM's from 35 have side-bar locks. GM was actually the first automaker to incorporate this technology for security in their vehicles. At the time that it initally came out it was considered pickproof. As far as picking them, they are difficult, not impossible. There's a wide variety of tools available to do so, but all of them take a level of skill and patience.

Actual picking techniques of vehicle locks is for the secure forums only and will not be discussed in these open forums.

If you cannot pick a kwikset, a GM side-bar is effectively immposible for you at this time.
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Postby Romstar » 15 Jul 2004 17:23

I'm loathe to be a copy cat, but in this case I can't add anything to Varjeal's statements.

Do some reading, look at pick sizes and shapes, and evaluate what you are using. Then, read again and practice even more.

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Postby Z3R0 » 15 Jul 2004 19:54

I appreciate ALL of you that posted, gave pointers, facts, & opinions, etc. im off to make maybe a bit better set of picks ... considering i picked a locked today and were successful. this is interesting me greatly just as computers do. maybe locksmithing/lockpicking will be not only a hobby or curiousity but a side job. i think that i will later get something in return of the time i have and will spend on locksmithing/lockpicking.


once again I appreciate ALL of you who helped!!!
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Postby Z3R0 » 15 Jul 2004 20:04

also... can anyone maybe zip or compress the hacksaw pick making video? i doubt seriously i could download it being its 52mb (but doesnt mean its impossible :D :D ). i have dial up ... and would most likely get kicked off b4 i could get the movie downloaded and completed. i would greatly appreciate it .... if its possible.


thanks a million!!
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Postby skold » 15 Jul 2004 20:09

if you cant just ask someone to send you a copy on disk
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Postby WhiteHat » 15 Jul 2004 20:17

I think because of the format, it can't be compressed any further. it's well
worth downloading if you can get it. use some sort of download manager
like DAP (download accellerator plus). it allows you to pause downloads
and resume later on.

also, you sent me a pm about pick types and which to make, I thought
that my reply would be benificial to everyone so I hope you don't mind me
posting it here (I'm sure something similar has been posted at some
stage, but it doesn't hurt to post it again. just so everyone else knows,
we're talking about the pictures in this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=2867
and we've established that zero has a half diamond and a half ball already.
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each of the picks that pick maker has made has a different purpose. the
wavy ones are called "rakes", the ones that curve up at the end are
called "hooks" and the ones that you've already made are variations on
balls and diamonds.
in this picture:
http://img66.photobucket.com/albums/v20 ... dc4a9a.jpg

I'd make (in addition to the ones that you have) numbers 2 and 3 and
either (or both) 4 and 5 (from the left) and something similar to the last
two on the right wouldn't go astray either to start with. once you get
better, you'll figure out what you need.

basically it depends on a combination of your style, what type of lock it is,
how it's keyed (sometimes you don't know this), and your picking ability.


Hooks:
these allow you to pick individual pins acurately. basically, there is no pin
tumbler lock that hooks cannot open (provided you're good enough) it is
good to practice with these if you want to get better.

Rakes:
there are basically two types of rakes, the sawtooth and the snake.
both of these are more random than the hook- they assume that the lock
is poor quality (usually kwikset are) and rely on some luck as well as skill.

the sawtooth ones (pick 4 and 5 in above link) are used for lightly and
very quickly dragging the pick over the pins while applying light tension -
this causes the key pins to jump up and hit the driver pins causing them to
jump up past the sheer line, thus leaving a gap for a fraction of a second.
if you get it right you can set all the pins at the same time. a similar
method is used by pick guns and electric picks, but the manual rakes
cause less damage to the lock.

the snake rakes (last few in the above link) are used for attempting to
simulate the profile of the key, they are moved in and out, up and down
trying to push the pins into the appropriate spots.. use light to moderate
tension. sometimes you can use these like the sawtooth rakes, but they
do not have the points that cause the pins to jump so are not as effective.

Balls and variations:
these are mostly used on wafer locks, but are just another way to pick
any lock really - they reduce the feel a little bit because you have no
sharpish edges to feel with.

diamonds and variations:
these are good alround picks - I use them interchangably with my hooks,
although overall I prefer my hooks. diamonds slide in and out of the lock
easier than hooks but reduce the feel slightly.

other styles of picks are combinations/variations of the above.

*whew* enough from me for now.
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Postby Z3R0 » 15 Jul 2004 21:23

skold wrote:if you cant just ask someone to send you a copy on disk


i to have thought of posting that in one of my posts... but, dunno wat i can do in return. but on the other hand ... it would be awsome if someone could perhaps burn it to cd and mail it ... 5 bucks maybe.... not sure about that part tho .. dont have a job yet (not legal, just yet, 15 .. 16 in oct) so its up to parents.

or another idea is if someone could split the video up into sections sections..... as if they're chapters. then post them .. and it would be

MY 3STIMATIONS

2 sections 26MBs = 3hours ÷ 2 = 13MBs

4 sections 13MBs = 1hour 30mins ÷ 2 = 6.5MBs

6 sections 6.5MBs = 30-45mins


and then post it as 4-6 sections or 4-6 downloads

but it just sounds like a bit of trouble...

if someone does this .... it would be in my debt to return...

stuff has to get done to get something done ... lol

i appreciate it again....
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