taking apart dead bolts really does help+random newbie stuff

[Cat]

I bought a $10 dead bolt and took all the pins out except one. Funny thing because the bottom and top pins that I didn't take out, happened to be the only mushroom pin in the lock. After reading this site a ton I correctly figured out that it was indeed some kind of spool or mushroom pin, cause it was falsely setting. Took it out, sure enough it was. Anyway, I just want to stress to everyone out there that you will learn something by fiddling around with a lock that you can take apart. Start out with one pin, as all the web sites say, and get a feel for it. You learn that it doesn't take as much torque as you might first think.

I'm intrigued by this security pin. You need to be really delicate to set it. I know a pick gun will get pass it, but I guess I'll get it down some time. This deadbolt is pretty tough actually. Pin 1 you don't need to push far at all to set, which means that you don't have much room to move a pick around (actually right now I'm using a skinny x-acto which is not the right tool at all..but hey I just got a master no. 3 padlock open with it!) and the next pin needs to be pushed allll the way up. Can't wait till I make some more picks tomorrow.

I'm surprised how easy the master #3 was easy to get open just with this skinny x-acto and a pen clip I pulled out of a uni-ball pen. I did look at the key for one of the pins though to figure out something about it, but hey, I'm new, I'm allowed to

[skold]

congrats on the #3..i hate them locks..annoying lock movement, i just opened up a #3, rekeyed it then stuck two Papaiz spool drivers in the lock..and i can easily pick it in secs..maybe im getting better at picking or maybe #3's weren't made for spools.

[mcm757207]

I agree, some of those cheap master locks can be really annoying, with the cylinder moving back and forth inside the lock.

[hoho]

On the topic of suprize security pins and Masterlock #3, i found a padlock a few months ago, a generic masterlock #3, played with it for an hour or two and couldn't get it. This bugged me a bit, it's only a master lock, it shouldn't be this hard. But I only recentely realized that it wasn't a generic masterlock 3, it was a 3UP- "Universal Pin". AKA essentialy serrated pins.

Guess lockpicking is just one of those areas in which there're more exceptions and oddities than there are rules and 'normal' locks.

[WhiskeyTango]

cat you have stumbled on the best training tool ive found yet.the first thing in lockpicking is having an understanding of how the lock works then you can start thinkingon how to defeat them.

[skold]

i'd like to have a go at a 3UP sounds fun

[TOWCH]

I have yet to beat my 3UP. Those pins are nasty. I hear flooding it with WD-40 helps but I'm thinking I should just get a better handle on normal padlocks first.

[mcm757207]

I love master UPs sure they are hard to pick, but they save a lot of time when someone comes in asking for "3 of those, all keyed alike."

[skold]

im gonna have to find me a 3UP

[JoR]

Any way one can dissasemble a padlock without resorting to saws etc?

[xorox]

That depends on the padlock.

[JoR]

Well

I have a few:

Master No.3
Tri Circle 266
Abus 60/50
Abus 45/50
Draper "Value"
And one called "Land" in which the shackle comes completely deatched when you unlock it.

If none of these are suitable for taknig apart could you inform me on one that is so I can buy it and try it. Thanks.

[xorox]

Well, I don't have alot of information about those locks... I don't know if any are re-keyable. If you go to Home Depot or a similar hardware store, you can get a cheap rekeyable Master lock, it's about $12.00 USD.


http://keying.masterlock.com/rekeyable_padlocks.shtml a link

[xorox]

(I really need to remember there's no edit button)

Also, I am assuming you mean rekeyable padlocks. If not, my reply is utterly useless.

[JoR]

No edit button is very annoying..

And I mean just to take apart and also to rekey, so your reply was not utterly worthless.