Need some help with a lock

by **Murph** » 16 Aug 2004 6:04

I have been working on a Chateau plus C970 (5 pin cylinder) that resembles the lock used for the "Shop" icon at the top of the pages in the forum. I believe it's a Master #40 knock-off. I have done many searches and found various techniques and suggestions previously posted. However, I'm still stumped with this lock, but I still enjoy the challenge, but I'm running out of ideas. I have tried all the picks I have (14), 7 different tension wrenches from very flexible to stiff as well as varying tensions, and I have made 5 picks smaller than what I already have to see if they'll even work. I'm still stuck.
I have raked, raked and picked, picked individual pins, again, varying the tension. I have re-searched in the forum for new ideas.
I would appreciate some input, I know I might be missing something.
I do have the key, I'm just picking it as a hobby.
Thanks!

by **Chucklz** » 16 Aug 2004 13:49

Tell us about the key. Are their high and low cuts next to each other?

I would also suggest you have at least the possibilty of spool/mushroom pins.

by **Murph** » 16 Aug 2004 15:46

Chucklz wrote:Tell us about the key. Are their high and low cuts next to each other?

I would also suggest you have at least the possibilty of spool/mushroom pins.

Chucklz,
Yes, they are. Here is a picture:

Dumb question here, my friend said he only paid $8.00 US for the lock. For a lock that inexpensive, would the manufacturer go through the trouble of adding spool or mushrooms pins?

Thank you for your help.

by **CaptHook** » 16 Aug 2004 15:56

Im not sure about the spools, but dont count them out based on the price. Something you can try, assuming the shackle opens clockwise. Put pressure on the shackle/plug, by pulling the shackle to the right. Most master 40s will "stick" to the right. There is a spring you initially have to overcome when popping the shackle from the locked position, this will help alleviate a little pressure.
Chuck

by **mcm757207** » 16 Aug 2004 16:08

Like capt said, don't judge it on it's price. I can run down to home depot (hardware store here in US) and get a Master #40 for about $10. Also, a number #40 has 4 pins, yours has 5. The high-low config is also going to make it a pain. With a high low config like this it's generally best to pin pick with a feeler pick or something similar starting from the back and working your way forward. Good luck

let us know how you do

by **Murph** » 16 Aug 2004 16:59

MCM/Chuck,
Thanks for your inputs guys. I appreciate it. The shackle does go clockwise when you open it. I'll see if the shackle will stick a bit to the right. Then I'll use a feeler and work back to front.

I know it has five pins because I counted them with a feeler. A habit I formed when I started picking so I can learn about the lock.

I'm going to give it a go, thanks again! I'll post again on how I make out.

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 16 Aug 2004 18:46

ioi bet you are pusing 3 too high going for 4

by **Murph** » 16 Aug 2004 19:10

HeadHunterCEO wrote:ioi bet you are pusing 3 too high going for 4

You mean pushing three pins too high up while trying to reach the 4th?

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 16 Aug 2004 19:42

Murph wrote:
HeadHunterCEO wrote:ioi bet you are pusing 3 too high going for 4

You mean pushing three pins too high up while trying to reach the 4th?

number 3

by **Murph** » 16 Aug 2004 19:46

HeadHunterCEO wrote:
Murph wrote:
HeadHunterCEO wrote:ioi bet you are pusing 3 too high going for 4

You mean pushing three pins too high up while trying to reach the 4th?

number 3

I'm picking from back to front, starting at the #5 pin which is all the way in.
What do you suggest?

by **CaptHook** » 16 Aug 2004 21:12

Starting with the pin that binds first..... :wink:

Chuck

by **skold** » 16 Aug 2004 23:39

i have never known a lock like that to NOT have spools, i attempted unlocking a 5 pin lockwood one once..not funny..just annoying

by **Murph** » 17 Aug 2004 19:07

skold wrote:i have never known a lock like that to NOT have spools, i attempted unlocking a 5 pin lockwood one once..not funny..just annoying

What tools did you use and how did you pick it?

by **gaplock** » 22 Aug 2004 2:42

Hmm well most of the "diskus" type locks i've run into have spools or mushrooms. I wouldn't count it out just because of price. When i pick the i use a short hook and go from back to front starting with the pin that has the most resistance first which may not be the last pin (#5) it could be 4, or 3 and you can also tell how many pins it has by counting the cuts in your key...fromt he pic i count 5 cuts so you would be right assuming it has 5 pins. Just take your time and be patient and use medium tension. If you don't get it after a while put the lock down and come back to it in a little while. Soemthign else that helps me GREATLY is to lube the cylinder with WD40, if you have trouble picking it, shoot some WD in and get it all lubricated up...it might be the little extra help you need.

by **poor paperclip picker** » 15 Aug 2007 16:08

i was researching this lock because one of my friends gave me one, and i wanted to see about picking it. stumbled upon some interesting info at the manufactures site.
http://www.chateauproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5833

heres what it says briefly
"INDUSTRY SERIES.
2-3/4" Stainless Steel Disc Lock with Solid brass 6 pin tumbler.
ANTI-PICK MUSHROOM PINS.
Hidden, hardened and chromed steel shackle.
7000 Key Changes.
Three drain holes for all-weather use.
ATTRACTIVE RESALE CLAM PACKAGE AND 2 KEYS.
Comparable to locks costing much more.
LIFETIME WARRANTY.
OUR CURRENT BEST SELLER.
C-970-CD-KD1"

now i am not sure if this is the chateau plus c970 the lock you were talking about, but this is the one i have

Need some help with a lock

Need some help with a lock

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