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Brand New to Forums and Picking Masterlock 140

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Brand New to Forums and Picking Masterlock 140

Postby Wonderboy13 » 14 Sep 2004 19:08

Hey everybody,
My name is Shane and I am new to lock picking. I just bought a brand new Southore PSX-17 set. I have actually sucessfully picked my first lock last night. It was a Kwikset disc tumbler and I did it in about 45 seconds. I am currently working on pin tumblers and I have noted a few things about this Masterlock that I need opions on. Here they are:

Can you push the pins in too far? So that there are two pins in the shearline?
When I am picking with a feeler pick, the further I go along with the 4 pins, the more the lock rotates, however I haven't got it to go all the way. When I am unsucessful, I slowly reduce the tension and I hear one to four little clicks, is that sucessful picking?

Along with those, I need to understand the ideal tension amount. Should I apply so the lock turns as much as possible, or should I apply so that the lock moves half-way between its max lock turning position.

Thank you very much, and I hope you can understand what I am saying although I have very bad wording.

Shane
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Postby Mad Mick » 14 Sep 2004 20:37

I am currently working on pin tumblers and I have noted a few things about this Masterlock that I need opions on.

OK, from the heading, you are attempting to pick a Master #140. These are four pin brass-bodied padlocks with a maximum of three top spools. You may have one spool, two spools, or you may have three.

Can you push the pins in too far? So that there are two pins in the shearline?

Yes, you can push the pins in too far, but you will never have two pins at the shear line in one stack. If you push a key pin too far, the driver will be above the shear line and the key pin will be partway across.

When I am picking with a feeler pick, the further I go along with the 4 pins, the more the lock rotates, however I haven't got it to go all the way. When I am unsucessful, I slowly reduce the tension and I hear one to four little clicks, is that sucessful picking?

Nope, successful picking is when the plug rotates and the lock opens. What you are encountering here are the spool pins. A spool pin is shaped like a cotton reel, with a reduced diameter in the middle. This reduced diameter allows the plug to rotate and trap the pin across the shear line, resulting in a false set pin. Further picking on a false set spool, will result in a counter-rotational force felt on the tension wrench.

Along with those, I need to understand the ideal tension amount. Should I apply so the lock turns as much as possible, or should I apply so that the lock moves half-way between its max lock turning position.

There are many descriptions as to how much tension is required, but the best IMHO, is to insert the key and see how much tension is required to turn the key itself. This is the maximum that should be used. Other methods assume the weight of only one finger on the wrench. When confronted by a padlock which has a return spring, sometimes this has to be taken into consideration when applying tension, other times, the spring is only felt once the pins are picked.

For a great reference material regarding starting to pick locks, download and read the MIT guide. Then read it again. Then again. Then practice whilst reading, practice more etc...
For a thorough description of pin states, visit www.crypto.com and read the lock picking section.

HTH,
Mick
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Postby Wonderboy13 » 14 Sep 2004 22:04

Wow. Okay yes so I am experiancing binding of the spool. Do you think this is too difficult of a lock to begin picking at? I have tried raking it with no sucess. I will read the MIT guide as much as I can :) I really appreciate your help.

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Postby CaptHook » 15 Sep 2004 0:53

Stay away from raking in the beginning, all it teaches is to expect luck. Work on your single pin skills, since you have already found the spool. Focus on your touch on the wrench, light it up just enough that you can set the pin past its shoulder. Too much and you will let the other set pins go, not enough and you will still be stuck..... you have to feel what is going on inside the keyway.
Youre doing good, work on your "feel" and your minds eye. :wink:
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Postby randmguy » 15 Sep 2004 1:50

Wonderboy13 one of the most widely accepted method of teaching yourself to pick locks is to start with a Kwikset or one of their imitators. This way you can learn a bit about how a lock works while you tear the cylinder down and remove all but one pin stack. This method allows you to experiment with how much tension you need to apply and gives you a good idea of what it feels like when a pin stack hits the shear line. It's also kind of a nice feeling to have something turn when you're just starting. If you're got the money to spend I've been recommending the Brinks house re-keyable padlock as a starter lock. Its available at Wal-Mart for about $13. It includes instructions for re-keying the cylinder and a small supply of pins so you can set the lock up to be more difficult to pick as you get better. It comes out of the package with 1-4 spool pins. You can remove these to start out and replace them as you improve your skill.

If you'd like more information on tearing apart cylinders for re-keying take a look at this post from skeleton_keys:

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=127
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Postby Mad Mick » 15 Sep 2004 17:57

Or, you could bid on my practice cylinder in the "Buy, Sell, Trade" section. :wink:
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Postby Wonderboy13 » 15 Sep 2004 22:31

Yay! Okay so I picked my front door today and it is a 5-7 pin tumbler, all I know is that it had a spool pin. I am reading this book by Eddie the Wire and it told me to push all the pins up, apply heavy torque, and slowly easy up and let the non-spool pins down. That worked for the front door. I am still having trouble with the masterlock though. I am practicing about 1 hour a day so this is really becoming a ton of fun. I have tomorow off, and my AP Chem teacher wants video of me picking some locks...I am excited :) Thanks for all the input.


Oh and I am looking in on another lock investment.


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Postby Pheniox » 15 Sep 2004 22:32

Wonderboy13 wrote:. I have tomorow off, and my AP Chem teacher wants video of me picking some locks...I am excited :) Thanks for all the input.

Shane


Bad idea. That could be used against you if something is ever broken into, and telling everyone makes you the first suspect when something gets stolen.
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Postby Wonderboy13 » 16 Sep 2004 9:55

hehe yea, but me and my chem teacher are pretty tight. I have known him even before this year. Thanks though yea I havent told anybody except some of my close buddies. I am working on that masterlock still and I will pick it by the end of today, I am positive!

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