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Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

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Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby thesheerline » 14 Nov 2009 20:03

So yesterday, I went to Menard's and purchased a couple new padlocks because I had worn the springs to shit on my old ones during my "learning curve".

I selected a #3 Master, and a generic-brand, 4 pin with an odd pin orientation. Upon arriving home, I first opened the #3, very exited to have a fresh lock to mess with. At random, I selected a moderately large torsion wrench and a half-diamond, just on a wild guess. I inserted the tension wrench and pushed the pick to the back of the chamber while trying to get a feel for the pin settings in the process. I pushed em' to the top and gave it a lazy rake and to my astonishment "click" the shackle pops up. One swipe. Thinking it had to be just a fluke I gave it another shot, same pick and wrench and again with one swipe, I once again heard the beautiful sound of the shackle snapping up.

Now, I vaguely recall a similar event occurring with a similar lock, one of the rubber-coated weather-resistant number 3's, which was actually the lock that took my virginity, so to speak, though I was still using bent key-chain rings and a hacksaw blade at that time. However, in that instance, after the first few times the pins became much more stubborn, probably owed to my wreck-less and uncontrolled technique back then. I still get frustrated on that one, even now.

Anyways, I guess my question is- Is there just a huge flaw in Masterlock's #3's? Or, are they just notoriously simple locks to pick? I'd like to add that I do understand the tendency for pins to become increasingly "touchy" the more they are manipulated via picking, but I've raked this new one a dozen times now, each time having success with no more than 1-2 swipes.
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby ElbowMacaroni » 15 Nov 2009 4:01

It seems to be the understanding around these parts that M#3's are simple to pick, the occasional on is insane easy, or oddly difficult. But most are just in the simple category.

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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby Eyes_Only » 16 Nov 2009 11:45

Yeah it can be that easy a lot of times, especially if it's a brand new "virgin" lock. But if it's a used lock that was used before to keep the gate to the backyard secured for a number of years and has started to corrode on the inside it can be tricky sometimes.
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby pjzstones » 18 Nov 2009 3:27

i've got like 9 or 10 of them and all of them i can rake open with one or two swipes :|
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby pjzstones » 18 Nov 2009 3:37

maybe try a master 140 next time. they usually have two spools but are still relatively easy to pick and they're cheap. or a 40 or 17. the 1's, 3's, 5's just seem a bit too easy and become boring pretty quick. you may be able to rake this lock open easily but you could practicing spp'ing it.
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby LocksmithArmy » 18 Nov 2009 5:05

the 140 has 1 mushroom... in the 3rd pin... always...

unless they made an upgraded one
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby pjzstones » 18 Nov 2009 5:42

i've cut away one and it had 3 spools and a serated. i have 3 others and they all have what i'm pretty sure are 2 spools in each. two of them im pretty sure have a serated and the other one i'm still feeling out(not much feed back for some reason :? ). but idk there could be a mushroom in there. i'll have to see if i can find out.
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby LocksmithArmy » 18 Nov 2009 5:50

a master 140? wow now I gotta cut some up and see
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby Eyes_Only » 18 Nov 2009 19:12

If you're looking for a real challenge then I guess American Lock would be the next step up.
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby eurolock fan » 20 Nov 2009 2:16

I have one no. 3 that rakes open the first time I rip it every time. Some day when I get a video camera I plan to make a video of it.
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby Mutzy » 20 Nov 2009 23:44

ElbowMacaroni wrote:It seems to be the understanding around these parts that M#3's are simple to pick, the occasional on is insane easy, or oddly difficult. But most are just in the simple category.

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Anybody else think of Medeco then? :wink:
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby hoggy » 1 Dec 2009 8:50

Funny, I've got a master shutter lock that my even my partner can open just by wriggling in the rake slowly - it's not one I'd use to actually secure anything!
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby Mr. Peabody » 2 Dec 2009 4:00

hoggy wrote:Funny, I've got a master shutter lock that my even my partner can open just by wriggling in the rake slowly - it's not one I'd use to actually secure anything!


Haha my girlfriend lost her picking virginity to a Master #3 Lock by raking :) Picking a lock on her first lock in the first minute has hooked her into the hobby now.
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Re: Product defect? Or just a poorly engineered lock (#3 master)

Postby unlisted » 2 Dec 2009 4:06

Mr. Peabody wrote:
Haha my girlfriend lost her picking virginity to a Master #3 Lock by raking :) Picking a lock on her first lock in the first minute has hooked her into the hobby now.
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