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Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

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Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby spyderco monkey » 25 Aug 2012 16:30

Hey All, I was sent 5 of Raimundo's Custom Snappers by Matt over at SEREPICK for testing and evaluation.

I'm running late for a date, so I can't lay out what I have planned for them yet, but I did have some time to take a few pictures.

Right out of the box, next to a Majestic Lockaid gun:

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So far, this one's my favorite. I nailed this Defiant in 2 snaps.

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I will report back tomorrow with a bunch more info and pics. 8)
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby femurat » 26 Aug 2012 2:57

Great! Can't wait to see a couple more pictures... the tip view from top for example. I have put aside a handful of bike spokes just to make this snapper.

Cheers :)
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby C185 » 26 Aug 2012 11:01

They look much nicer than my attempt with a clothes hanger.. Bike spoke?
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby Josh66 » 26 Aug 2012 12:11

Looks pretty nice. I'm going to have to try making some of these soon.
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby spyderco monkey » 26 Aug 2012 23:47

So, I've been playing with these quite extensively the last day, here's what I can report back so far.

The two most effective tools in my hands were the snapper with the black pen tube at the top of the photo, (snapper # 1) and the 4th snapper down, (snapper #4.)

#1 and #4 have been the most comfortable in my hand, and have been the most effective on the locks I've tested them against. Snappers #2 & #3 were comfortable to hold, but are underpowered for me and were not as reliable. Snapper #5 had good power and perormance, but the ergonomics are off, causing it to twist and slide in my hand.

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Both of these snappers benefit from the addition of some heat shrink tubing to aid in grip and impact absorption. I also think it makes the tool look more professional. 1/8" HS tube works well.

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However, while snapper #4 works well, my real favorite is snapper #1. It works better in my hands - I went through this double lock set in under a minute.

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I decided to mod mine more extensively. I began by adding a short length of paracrod to the tail, which makes the tool much more comfortable and secure in use.

However, what was really bothering me was that I had to carry a separate tensioner to use this tool. I've been spoiled by the Bogota's nested design, so I decided to create a nested wrench for my snapper. I nipped off a bit of street sweeper bristle, bent it to a curved profile that matched the thumb ramp of the snapper, and polished it up.

To hold the tensioner in place, I have used a double heat shrink tube. The first layer is applied directly to the thrumb ramp, for the purpose of impact absorption. It also provides friction for the tensioner. Then I placed the tensioner on top, and melted a second section of heat shrink tubing on top of it. This has formed a 100% secure, form fitting tensioner sheath, that allows the tensioner to be stowed on board when not in use.

It sort of hides in plain site until it is needed:
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Note how the wrench is slightly curved to fit the profile:
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When I was re-installing the pen tube, which is originally designed as a finger protector, I discovered that it works as a perfect, integral tip protector. The fine tips on these snappers are very easy to bend, much easier than a normal pick, and I was worried I wouldn't be able to carry mine in my gear bag. However, by sliding the pen tube forward, it creates an integral, crush proof sheath that allows the snapper to be carried without fear of damage.

Here's how thin the tips are:

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With the pen barrel slid forward, the tip is 100% protected. The metal foldover holds the tube very firmly, so there is no side to side play.

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Together, these three mods make the tool much more fieldable, and I think they should be integrated into any future design.

I plan on testing these tools out for another month or so, and then doing a very detailed write up. I will be testing them against a variety of locks, and then have a sort of "Raimundo's Customs Competition," where the snapper will be pitted against the Bogota's 1, 2,3 hump designs, as well as a Sabana. I'm planning on running each pick against each lock 5 times, over 5 days, and then averaging out the time to open per pick, per lock. I will get photo and video of this.

However, I am running out of deadbolts to test (most of my collection is padlocks) so if anyone here can lend me a few deadbolts for testing, that would greatly help this review, as all I have on hand are the boring Kwiksets and Defiants. I will mail your back to you after the review is completed, and mention your contribution in the review. Please PM me if you're interested.

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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby MBI » 27 Aug 2012 0:36

Nice review, and those are some very clever modifications. Kudos to your ingenuity.
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby femurat » 27 Aug 2012 3:03

Thanks for the extra pictures and info, now I'm ready to make one.

Cheers :)
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby raimundo » 27 Aug 2012 7:49

I didn't realize that matt had so many of the old style ones, and he completely didn't give you the new ones that have a more ergonomic curve and an improved slip trigger, and a tiny hook at the tip for feeling the last pin.

Those are obviously all the old ones that were just steps on the development of the new ones,

I will be sending one of the new ones to mortimer duke today and he will have the one that I wanted to be posted,

Matt did have the new type, but its not in this collection.
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby Ozlocks » 28 Aug 2012 3:09

I've been looking for photos of Raimundo's snappers, these are outstanding! Thanks!
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby Squelchtone » 28 Aug 2012 4:25

Great photos and explanations.

Anyone else catch the writing on the Bic pen in the B&W photo with the Defiant rim cylinder? "Clic Stic"

Can't wait to make my own Clic Stic, but in the mean time, we're gonna make this a Sticky =)

Nice job Raimundo for the product and Spyderco Monkey on the documentation and mods,
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Note: please also check out a review and pics of some more Raimundo snappers written up by eth3real: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55647&p=403987
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby spyderco monkey » 28 Aug 2012 7:24

So, I've been playing around some more, some observations and additional mods.

Firstly, the snapper has allowed me to open a lock that has been in my drawer for ages, that I have never been able to open with regular tools. So the snapper is officially awesome in my book.

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However, it took me a bunch (20+) snaps to open the lock, as the pin springs are very strong. In the process, the repeated impacts caused the very fine needle of the pick to bend downwards.

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I'm jealous of the egg tip profile on the new pick design, as I think that would be tremendously helpful for finding the last pin, and preventing from striking the internal body of the lock.

Since I couldn't reprofile the tip, I figured the next best thing would be to mark on the pick the typical depths of my two most commonly encountered keys- the Master Lock 4pin and the basic 5 pin deabolt. I put the pick tip next to both keys, and scratched the sides with the file of my leatherman to indicate the appropriate depth. This has allowed me to begin opening some padlocks, as previously I had been inserting the needle too deeply.

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raimundo wrote:I didn't realize that matt had so many of the old style ones, and he completely didn't give you the new ones that have a more ergonomic curve and an improved slip trigger, and a tiny hook at the tip for feeling the last pin.

Those are obviously all the old ones that were just steps on the development of the new ones,

I will be sending one of the new ones to mortimer duke today and he will have the one that I wanted to be posted,

Matt did have the new type, but its not in this collection.


Ray, thats interesting news, as I was under the impression that these were the tools to review. Looking at the photos from the other thread, I like the newer design very much. It looks like it would be much more ergonomic in the hand, and really, the egg tooth profile would be so helpful. Right now I'm mostly guessing and finessing trying to find that last pin.

How is the effectiveness on the newer designs? Does the thumb tube allow for a faster snap, or is it mostly for comfort? Also, are bicycle spokes superior to street sweeper bristles for this application?

Very interested to see how this tool develops, as I'm a huge fan of the Bogota's.
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby raimundo » 28 Aug 2012 9:55

first, the pen barrel over the pick tip for protection from getting stabbed in the pocket was around before I started to put a bend in the base of the needle. after that it was abandoned
Another way to do that is to use a tube small enough to slide inside the pen tube and place this over the needle and into the pen tube,

now that the sharp bend is no longer used and a gentle curve is part of the banana-ergonomics its possible to use a slightly curved tube again.

I have pretty much abandoned the pen tube that was put there to keep people with big fingers from letting their grip on the pick deaden the strike by interfering with the lower arm of the snapper.
I think the new banananomic design might help keep fat fingers from deadening the strike.

Now a short piece of metal tube is used on the upper arm, and this has to be installed between the trap and the coil during the making of the pick. the only way to put one of these on after the trap and coil is made is to use a coil spring for the metal tube and just screw it on.

The real advance in design is the thumb trigger.
the meat trigger was very annoying, and hurts the thumb. you have to slide it off while under pressure.
with the little piece of tube, you get a wider area to press down on and when you start to slide the thumb off this tube rolls and suddenly releases in a way that was very inconsistant when doing it with the meat trigger. it saves your thumb and works better.
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby spyderco monkey » 29 Aug 2012 7:43

Ray, the new design sounds very promising, and the word Banananomic should be trademarked :D It's very interesting to contemplate how effective the new trigger will be, and how much that will improve reliability. As for increased comfort, the welt on my thumb can already attest to the necessity of that.

As for the older designs that I have on hand, the black tube model was very effective, but is now pretty much dead. The ultra-fine needle has bent to nearly 90 degrees due to repeated impacts with the Schlage. It's a shame, as I really liked this tool. RIP little buddy.

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The others in this collection are just not the same. I have been able to use the other snappers with the aid of a diamond pick to finish off the last pin or two that sticks, but none of the remainder can work as a stand alone.

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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby raimundo » 3 Sep 2012 8:44

The new ones that I was intending to have reviewed have either very small hook or a very small diamond at the tip and I have found that just lightly pulling that pick out can finish the job sometimes as it bumps lightly along the pin ends.
I have also found the these tiny tips are very credible picks in some padlocks and better than larger picks, so now im into smaller pick tips.
I made myself a paired set of small and smaller hooks both of which are smaller than any commercial 'smallhook'
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Re: Pictures: Raimundo's Custom Snappers

Postby spyderco monkey » 7 Sep 2012 1:44

New "banananomic" snapper arrived today :D

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I will be testing this out this weekend, will report back soon.
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