Schlage C keyway is baffling me.

[south town ninja]

Tried picking a scalage with a c keyway, baffled me. So i went back to picking a kwikset until i basically mastered SPPing it (1 pin ,2 pin all the way up to 5 pin, added spool drivers until I could pick it with 5 spool pins, then picked it the other way..... I mastered it.) Then , i went back to my schlage, which i could not pick with even SPP with even two pins. I either cannot get them to bind, or I can't seem to feel when they are binding. It isn't my tensioner rubbing against the side, it isn't lack of lube, because i picked it just fine with a Falle hump by lifting it. So what's the deal? Is my pick set inadequate to get around the warding? I know i need to "turn the corner" as I lift my hook, but i cannot seem to identify a binding pin. Furthermore, no matter which of the pins I lift, I never feel it set. BAFFLED AND ANGRY! Please help!

[GWiens2001]

Schlage is a higher quality lock than Kwikset. The tolerances are tighter, so you feel less feedback. Lighten your tension and pay attention to what both your pick and tension wrench are telling you.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

Gordon is right, schlage is a big step up from kwikset, you might want to remove a pin or two-don't forget to take out the corresponding top pin & spring

[south town ninja]

Maybe I should buy a schlage with an easier keyway. Could anyone make a recommendation? Maybe I should just ask for a recommended next lock after kwikset? something between a quickest and a schlage.

[GWiens2001]

If you have a key for that lock, then you can disassemble it and repin it with one pin stack at a time. And, as billdeserthills wisely stated, make sure you take out the spring and driver pin for each pin stack you are removing the key pin from. Start with one pin stack - the one deepest into the lock. When you are used to that, work your way forward adding one pin stack at a time.

There is no easier keyway for Schlage. The C keyway is their most common, and you will do fine with it with some practice.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

If you have a key for that lock, then you can disassemble it and repin it with one pin stack at a time. And, as billdeserthills wisely stated, make sure you take out the spring and driver pin for each pin stack you are removing the key pin from. Start with one pin stack - the one deepest into the lock. When you are used to that, work your way forward adding one pin stack at a time.

There is no easier keyway for Schlage. The C keyway is their most common, and you will do fine with it with some practice.

Gordon

You can easily make the Schlage C keyway easier to pick, simply file the cylinder flat on top like the old locksmiths used to

[hag3l3]

PLEASE DO NOT FILE ANY CYLINDERS FLAT. this is an incorrect application. i can not bellieve someone on this sight would recommend such a practice.filing reduces the internal security of the lock as well as truly does not help you to improve your skillset. schlage keyway is best handled by reducing ones amount of tension until you can feel each pin set. try first not picking, just moving your pick across the pins until you can actually hear them set. gradually reduce your tension until you can hear as well as feel your false sets. schlage is about finesse, not brut raking . anyone who would even consider filing a cylinder is not about learning.. i thought locksport had better standards.........

[billdeserthills]

PLEASE DO NOT FILE ANY CYLINDERS FLAT. this is an incorrect application. i can not bellieve someone on this sight would recommend such a practice.filing reduces the internal security of the lock as well as truly does not help you to improve your skillset. schlage keyway is best handled by reducing ones amount of tension until you can feel each pin set. try first not picking, just moving your pick across the pins until you can actually hear them set. gradually reduce your tension until you can hear as well as feel your false sets. schlage is about finesse, not brut raking . anyone who would even consider filing a cylinder is not about learning.. i thought locksport had better standards.........

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[Pintickler]

Maybe I should buy a schlage with an easier keyway. Could anyone make a recommendation? Maybe I should just ask for a recommended next lock after kwikset? something between a quickest and a schlage.

If you want something harder to pick than your average pin tumbler Kwikset but not as hard as a Schlage, I would recommend Defiant.

[south town ninja]

I am owning this lock now, almost so much so that i put in some spool drivers. What, tho , are false sets? I thought this was when a spool driver pretends to et but is just trapped in its in-between state. Is a false set the same as a pin being under or over set?

[deolslyfox]

Pin states:

At rest: Normal state - locked or unlocked

Set: The driver pin is set "at the shear line" and the key pin will fall freely into the cylinder.

Overset: The key pin has been driven up into the bible and trapped.

False set: The pin (generally a spool / mushoom / T-pin) is trapped AT the shear line. Part of the pin is still in the cylinder and part is in the bible. This is generally accompanied by a slight turn on the core as the lock drops into the "false set" state.

Note: Spool pins are most easily detected by the "counter-rotation" of the core as they are being set.

Hope this is helpful.