Yale Touchscreen lock upgrade

[bobaru]

Hi,

New to the forum, but have been reading for about a week now. I have replaced many locks and deadbolts over the years and consider myself pretty handy with tools and have a good mechanical and electronic skillset. I have been bitten by the home automation bug and have installed a Yale Real Living Touchscreen deadbolt to my front door. It is model number YRD220-ZW-619 and is able to be remotely controlled using Zwave rf commands.

http://www.amazon.com/Yale-Security-YRD ... B005NLKRAO

It works great, but I am concerned with the security of the lock cylinder itself. There isn't a lot of information about upgrading this particular lock on the internet. I would much prefer to replace the Yale cylinder with a higher security cylinder like a Medeco, Primus or Mul T Lock. I haven't actually tried to disassemble the Yale cylinder yet. I would like to have the new parts ready to go when I do.

Is the Yale cylinder a KIK type? And if so, can I just replace it with a Medeco cylinder like this one listed on eBay?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Medeco-lock-cyl ... 27f9ef4e1d

Or do I need to replace the entire cylinder itself? And if so, what do I need to order?

Or is the Yale cylinder pretty good as is and I shouldn't worry about it? The same door has a Kaba Gemini lock that I installed in the mortise lock about 8 years ago when I moved in. In order for the Yale lock to function as a convenience lock, I don't plan on using the mortise lock very often and would rely on the Yale lock most of the time.

Appreciate any and all help.

Thanks,

-bob

[Squelchtone]

You could probably remove the tailpiece from the back of the cylinder, so if anyone picked it or bumped it it would just free spin and not actuate the deadbolt. We'd have to see the cylinder out of your current lock to see what the tailpiece is like on the back end.

Z-wave has some interesting hacks against it, as seen at Blackhat conference in Las Vegas. Security researchers were able to reset the AES key value and unlock a lock over the air using the Z-wave protocol. You can find the powerpoint slide deck linked on this page: https://code.google.com/p/z-force/

hack the planet
Squelchtone

[bobaru]

Thanks for the reply squelchtone, I will check out the zwave info from the conference. I am not too concerned with someone hacking the lock. I live in a not so great neighborhood and am more concerned with bump keys being used.

I don't want to disable the cylinder. The front door is the only way of accessing the locked home from the outside (the back door is night latched with a jimmy proof lock and does not have a cylinder on the outside of the door). The reason I got the Yale lock with the cylinder is that I wanted a backup means of unlocking the front door if the electronic lock failed. Hence the reason I was looking at upgrading the Yale cylinder.

-bob

[blue60]

I bet if you take the back of the lock off you will find a kik cylinder tucked in there.
but I would recommend checking before ordering anything it should only take about 10min to open it up.

EDIT: it is a KIK, info on page 14 of the manual http://www.homeseer.com/pdfs/Yale/Yale-PB-DB-Instructions.pdf

[bobaru]

BINGO! Thanks blue60! That is a different guide than the one supplied with the lock. I have never seen this manual before.

Now, final question, any recommendation on where to get a KIK cylinder on the world wide interwebs? Looking for a cylinder with 5 keys.

-bob

[Squelchtone]

BINGO! Thanks blue60! That is a different guide than the one supplied with the lock. I have never seen this manual before.

Now, final question, any recommendation on where to get a KIK cylinder on the world wide interwebs? Looking for a cylinder with 5 keys.

-bob

nice job blue60!

bobaru, the world is your oyster at this point, but different locks may be available from different places and the shipping costs may vary, so what country are you from? we have a global membership here.

I'm a big fan of ebay, some folks like Amazon, and then there are some boutique high security lock shops that have web fronts.

Squelchtone

[blue60]

No Problem

I had to do the same to a different manufacture's lock, it happened to be almost the exact same internally
as for a new Cylinder there is ebay or you can try a local shop depending on location. (for me ebay is almost always the answer)

[bobaru]

Thanks guys. I will peruse eBay. I live in Maryland, not too far from the DC area.

-bob

[bembel]

On a touchscreen it might be easy to guess the code by reading the fingerprints, just like on a smartphone display. Does this lock have a fixed numeric keyboard only (1-2-3-4-5...) or is there a feature to let the numbers appear randomly (5-2-1-3-4...)?

There also seems to be a "paperclip hack" bypass method for this lock which can be found on Youtube.
I assume this isn't a hoax. Video is dated 11-2013. Maybe it's fixed already, maybe not.

[blue60]

the master and user codes can be 4 - 8 digest.... Page 10 of the same manual answered that .

[bembel]

Sorry, I didn't see that you linked the manual.
So it cannot change the order of the keys to avoid the touchscreen fingerprint thing.

[bobaru]

Hi bembel,

Yes, you are correct, the lock does not re-arrange the numbers that are displayed, they are always in the same position.

As for the youTube video, I did see that and I suspect they were able to accomplish it by removing the tailpiece from the cylider and allowing the paper clip to pass through to the latch mechanism.

All in all I like the lock itself. It is attractive and you can put a lot of different codes into it. Each user can have their own code and you can limit access in this way. Having it interface to a zwave controller is a great feature, even though it may be less secure that way. The lock can work with or without the zwave controller. The zwave module is optional and can be removed from the lock if you like or added to a lock without one at a later date. Even when the lock is associated with a zwave controller it can still operate by itself if the controller is not functioning.

I just wish one of the options was a more secure cylinder. Something I am working on. BTW, even though it is a Yale lock it comes with a Kwikset keyway. Something I wasn't expecting.

-bob

[MatrixBlackRock]

BTW, even though it is a Yale lock it comes with a Kwikset keyway. Something I wasn't expecting.

-bob

Yes, that lock can be had with either a Schlage C keyway or a Kwikset keyway.

Wayne

[cledry]

I think it and the Arrow lock are the same thing, neither is made by Arrow or Yale but by some Korean manufacturer.