Decoding an Abloy Profile key

[Phaseseeker]

I have managed to acquire a key for an Abloy Profile cam lock from an old payphone (the same phone from the other topic of mine). Now I'd like to get the code corresponding code for said key, but I'm not sure how to measure my key; my first plan was to take apart the lock cylinder and look at the discs, but turns out there isn't any non-destructive way to do so on this specific lock.
Here's some pictures:


My doubts in particular are:
- How do I determine the number of discs?
- According to the internet, the first cut (corresponding to the hardened steel disc) is always 90°. However, I don't see any 90° cut in my key.
The three angled parts on the keys measure (starting from the large end of the key) measure 18°, 36° and 63°
Also, my key appears to be damaged near the end; I can still make it work, but it takes quite a bit of fiddling. Could the missing section near the end be the cause?

[GWiens2001]

More likely it is a worn disc.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

There are six positions available for discs, at 18° increments between 0° and 90°

That 63° should either be 54° or 72°, but assuming you already know that.

See if Han Fey's Abloy paper helps with your decoding: https://locklab.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Abloy-Locks-Han-Fey.pdf

[Wizer]

41312

[Wizer]

The Han Fay document is very informative, but he got the cut depths wrong. Zero is uncut and five is 90⁰.

[Squelchtone]

The Han Fay document is very informative, but he got the cut depths wrong. Zero is uncut and five is 90⁰.

very good to know, thank you Wizer!

[Squelchtone]

41312

Would you be able to point arrows to the cuts on the key in the photos so we can better know which cuts along the blade are the ones that engage the disks?

is this at all correct? and why are some cuts occupying 2 spaces and some cuts seem to only occupy 1 space.. would the bitting be 4413122 ? and is the tip of the key only for a profile disk or for turning purposes?




Here's an interesting photo I found showing something about the cuts and blind code:



And could you explain the axis on this chart? is this for making the blind codes, or reversing them back to actual cuts?


*both images above were found on a message board: https://shoerepairer.info/topic/27343-abloy-keys-cut/

Thank you!
Squelchtone

[Phaseseeker]

First of all, thanks everybody for the very helpful info!
My initial measurements were wrong. Turns out it's not that easy to measure angles on a small key!
Starting from the tip of the key, the angles of the various parts are, respectively, 0°(if the tip is indeed part of the key, as @Squelchtone was asking)-72°-18°-54°-18°-36° , so (0)-4-1-3-1-2, which matches @Wizer's answer.
I also had the same doubts about the wider spaces. I measured them with calipers out of curiosity and they are almost exactly double the width of the narrower sections (2.7mm vs 1.3mm), so I'd also think there's two identical cuts next to each other, but I'm not sure. The same is true for the tip which measures, again, 2.7mm in width

[GWiens2001]

I think Wizer was telling the depths of the key cuts in order, not all of the bittings in the key.

Wizer can correct me if I am wrong, but the tip is 0, fits the first (profile) disc and the 0 discs in the lock are the drivers.

The double width cuts are indeed for two side-by-side cuts of the same depth/angle.

Will let Wizer determine if he wishes to publicly clarify the chart.

Gordon

[Wizer]

Looking more closely at the key from Gordons zoom in, there is another 2 nearest to the handle.
The key and blind code are read from the tip to the handle of the key. If there are less than 10 discs the last cuts are zero.
The first disc is allways a zero, it does not even show in the code or bitting of the key. And as Gordon pointed there is a 4 (OP said no 90 degree cuts which could make it 5), slightly cut 1, allmost as deep as 4 =3, 1, and 2 discks at 2 depth. So 4131220000. You have propably 8 disks total where first and last are 0 as usual.
The broken off part of the key tip has broken because the tip profile cut was too deep and the blank is of inferior quality. It could affect zeroing the discs when taking the key out because the profile disc (0) at the tip will not align properly and the key will not come out without wiggling.
Here is an other thread about the key. http://keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=7091&hilit=cutting+abloy

[Phaseseeker]

One last question: how did you determine the last two cuts are actually two 2s next to each other but the 3 in the middle is a single 3? To me in person they look the same width.
Maybe the angle in my pictures is distorting the distances; here's one taken from straight up, with a ruler for scale:



About the blank, that's not an original Abloy blank, so that's probably why it's not perfect.

Also, thanks again!

[GWiens2001]

4413312200

Gordon

[Wizer]

Thanks, much clearer picture. I go back to 41312.
The deeper cuts are wider because the blade is wider than the spacing. Hence the cuts overlap each other leaving single high cuts narrower.
@Squelchtone, The cart can be used both ways. It is missing the top line where the number of cut/code shown. 1.2.3.4.5...
So if your code starts with say 695.... you look for 6 in the first column (I hope I get the terms right) and thats 0. Second cut, 2nd. column 9=5, third 5=2...
And vice versa.

[MartinHewitt]

Are the wear marks from spacer disks?

[Wizer]

Are the wear marks from spacer disks?

Looks like it. You have good eyes.