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Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder ever?

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Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder ever?

Postby cheerIO » 28 Dec 2014 20:43

My realtor friend called me up yesterday as said she needed a lock picked and rekeyed in one of their condos.

When I arrived, I looked at the keyway and saw that it was in the "2 o'clock" position. I turned the plug with my thumb and confirmed it was off the shearline. The hardware was on the right hand side of the door so it was on the locking side of the shear line. Checking that the door was not unlocked, I took out my trusty homemade plug spinner, spun it, and opened the door.

I called my friend and asked if she had anyone else try to open the door. She assured me that no one had touched the door. So I was wondering if someone with just enough knowledge to get in trouble tried to pick the lock without a plug spinner. Picking a lock for burglary seemed a little far fetched. Though, I thought the door may look like a target as it already had a realtor lockbox on it and could be seen as unoccupied.

Well, I went to work repinning the lock and just for the heck of it, decided to keep track of what came out of it. As you can see below, it was pretty amazing. Schlage 6 pin cylinder with 5 pins used. 4 of them a 1 cut and one a 0 zero cut. I found 3 construction bearings in the 4th side hole that would have made that a 1 cut also once upon a time.

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I brought the pins back and put them in one of my locks and cut a key to see if I could get the plug to turn and then remove the key. Check out the key, it is basically a blank! I couldn't pull the key out when it was turned but I could open the lock with other random keys by raking back and forth.

As you can see by the dimensions of the pins, they are quite worn. Do you think that worn pins and a worn key would allow a person to pull the key out when the plug was turned? Or did someone actually try to get into this lock?

This was the worst pinning I have ever seen in a lock. And I assume this was a re-key because the face of the plug was silver but the rest of the lock was dark bronze. If some one handed me a key that looked like that, I would just laugh.
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Re: Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder eve

Postby Robotnik » 28 Dec 2014 22:42

Definitely trumps the worst pinning I've seen - SC1 cylinder pinned 77777 - by a long shot. That's some next-level awful right there.

I do think it's conceiveable that a worn or poorly cut key could be removed from a turned plug in this case. Not saying someone didn't attempt to enter covertly, but may just as well have been left in this state inadvertently by someone with a bad key to a bad lock.
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Re: Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder eve

Postby GWiens2001 » 28 Dec 2014 22:57

It also may have been opened using a bump key.

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Re: Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder eve

Postby masterwafer » 8 Jan 2015 19:42

DANG! I like your up-cycled pin holder. Simple and useful, I'm going to make myself one of these.
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Re: Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder eve

Postby cheerIO » 9 Jan 2015 0:39

masterwafer wrote:DANG! I like your up-cycled pin holder. Simple and useful, I'm going to make myself one of these.


Thanks.

It's a cheap business card holder I got at a trade show. It snaps shut so I put the heavy duty cardboard section in the bottom half and I'm fitting some soft open cell foam on the lid. That way I'll be able to snap it shut and it should keep the pins in place in transit.
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Re: Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder eve

Postby I Pik U » 1 Feb 2015 17:05

I doubt very much someone was picking at that lock.
The owners key I'm sure could be pulled out in any position, and that is more than likely what happened.
I've seen keys with more cuts pull out of cylinders in the wrong position.
Front doors of apartment buildings come to mind.
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Re: Evidence of picking attempt or worst pinned cylinder eve

Postby Comrade627 » 1 Feb 2015 19:19

Hah. I've got a nonbranded that looks like a Master no.3, only requires the 3rd pin to be lifted.
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