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Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

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Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby WilMar » 2 May 2016 8:10

Trying to replace a dead bolt on a new rental property. I have the key but there are no screws to remove the face plate only 2 little holes that open and close as the key turns - see pics...

Can someone lend insight on how to remove. (thanks in advance) - Bill

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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 2 May 2016 8:46

So what's in the holes? Any name on the bolt itself?
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby WilMar » 2 May 2016 8:58

Nothing in the holes that I can see and no identification anywhere :cry:
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby femurat » 2 May 2016 9:29

Are you the owner of the property or the one who pays the rent? If you don't own it I suggest you don't fiddle with the lock.

Just a wild guess: If the holes are empty, the big decorated lock cover can be unscrewed.

Good luck :)
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby WilMar » 2 May 2016 10:00

HAHAHA, never even occurred to me but THANKS for asking!

No, the owner! the cover does not have a set screw or release anywhere. it's flush with the door. Looks like the key is original and has COLE KWI stamped on it.

(edit) unless you mean on the bolt/plate - in which case I didn't even look!? DOH
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 2 May 2016 10:27

WilMar wrote:HAHAHA, never even occurred to me but THANKS for asking!

No, the owner! the cover does not have a set screw or release anywhere. it's flush with the door. Looks like the key is original and has COLE KWI stamped on it.

(edit) unless you mean on the bolt/plate - in which case I didn't even look!? DOH


Post a picture of the bolt.
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby billdeserthills » 2 May 2016 10:32

Your deadbolt was made by Amerock about 35 years ago. In fact, if you look on the latch face, which is mounted into the edge of your door,
you will see their name printed there. Unfortunately Amerock went out of business many years ago and their ugly, misshapen locks are no
longer produced. Your lock uses the same keyway as Arrow, if that is any help.

To remove your lock, you need to put the key into the inner deadbolt and turn a bit, until the holes on either side of the key, open up and you can unscrew the screws
hidden behind the holes, with a little phillips screwdriver
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby Squelchtone » 2 May 2016 10:37

dibs on this lock if OP is just going to throw it away. I'd like to fiddle with it, and I'll be happy to pay shipping.

Let me know, thank you.
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby WilMar » 2 May 2016 11:37

Squelchtone wrote:dibs on this lock if OP is just going to throw it away. I'd like to fiddle with it, and I'll be happy to pay shipping.

Let me know, thank you.
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Let me get them off first :) and I'll let you know.
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby WilMar » 2 May 2016 11:38

billdeserthills wrote:Your deadbolt was made by Amerock about 35 years ago. In fact, if you look on the latch face, which is mounted into the edge of your door,
you will see their name printed there. Unfortunately Amerock went out of business many years ago and their ugly, misshapen locks are no
longer produced. Your lock uses the same keyway as Arrow, if that is any help.

To remove your lock, you need to put the key into the inner deadbolt and turn a bit, until the holes on either side of the key, open up and you can unscrew the screws
hidden behind the holes, with a little phillips screwdriver


OK - Bill, heading over there later today, I'll confirm once I find out (if so you are my hero for the whole rest of the week!! :))
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 2 May 2016 12:18

Confederate wrote:So what's in the holes?


WilMar wrote:Nothing in the holes that I can see


billdeserthills wrote:until the holes on either side of the key, open up and you can unscrew the screws


WilMar wrote:OK - Bill, heading over there later today, I'll confirm once I find out (if so you are my hero for the whole rest of the week!! :))


You are the reason I no longer do residential work.
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby billdeserthills » 2 May 2016 12:46

Confederate wrote:
Confederate wrote:So what's in the holes?


WilMar wrote:Nothing in the holes that I can see


billdeserthills wrote:until the holes on either side of the key, open up and you can unscrew the screws


WilMar wrote:OK - Bill, heading over there later today, I'll confirm once I find out (if so you are my hero for the whole rest of the week!! :))


You are the reason I no longer do residential work.



Well now that you know the secret you can start doing residential work again! Hurray!! :P
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 2 May 2016 13:02

billdeserthills wrote:Well now that you know the secret you can start doing residential work again! Hurray!! :P


How many cylinders do you have? 4.

*drive to house*

Oh, I forgot about the other 10 doors. Is that extra?
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby billdeserthills » 2 May 2016 16:32

Confederate wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:Well now that you know the secret you can start doing residential work again! Hurray!! :P


How many cylinders do you have? 4.

*drive to house*

Oh, I forgot about the other 10 doors. Is that extra?



It may be true that residential jobs demand a higher degree of understanding, in order to deal with the dumb clients, but they do have money.
So I just slow down a bit and try to figure out what it is they mean with all that squeaking and the many hand motions they sometimes
use to communicate with :shock:
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Re: Ornamental dead bolt - not sure of manufacturer

Postby billdeserthills » 7 May 2016 16:46

WilMar wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:Your deadbolt was made by Amerock about 35 years ago. In fact, if you look on the latch face, which is mounted into the edge of your door,
you will see their name printed there. Unfortunately Amerock went out of business many years ago and their ugly, misshapen locks are no
longer produced. Your lock uses the same keyway as Arrow, if that is any help.

To remove your lock, you need to put the key into the inner deadbolt and turn a bit, until the holes on either side of the key, open up and you can unscrew the screws
hidden behind the holes, with a little phillips screwdriver


OK - Bill, heading over there later today, I'll confirm once I find out (if so you are my hero for the whole rest of the week!! :))



If you can't get the screws out, you can always just use a drill with a 3/16's drill bit and drill through the holes, until the outer half falls off
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