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Vintage Safe with Bramah Locks - information request

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Vintage Safe with Bramah Locks - information request

Postby SamRds » 7 Jan 2018 15:09

Hi,

I work as a gardener at a large private residence, which the owners purchased approx 12months ago. Upon purchase this safe was found - the previous owner was an antique/art dealer at the top end of the market for over 50yrs to my knowledge, and we presume it had belonged to him.

I had previously emailed Bramah & Co pictures , requesting basic information, and they replied:-

"We think the safe was made around 1860 as part of a master suite as it has two locks, one working the master key & the other the “D” key as per the stamping."

Until recently, we have had no key, so it has stood outside in a courtyard for upto a year.

However, today I found a key, tucked above a beam in one of the stables, which Google images has shown to be a bramah key! It's just over an inch long.

I tentatively tried it and it fits the lock, but I didn't dare exert to much pressure whilst turning it, as the key feels so delicate. It didn't turn, with the pressure I applied.

I would like advice on three things if possible -
1. What would the safe be worth unopened, as an antique piece (presumed empty, or why would it have been left?)
2. Is there anything I could do, lubrication wise, to facilitate the key turning?
3. There are 2 locks obviously - is the second lock a reset lock? Is that what Bramah & co meant in their email to me by 'D' lock? Or would I need to use two keys at once to open it?

Thanks for any info.
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Re: Vintage Safe with Bramah Locks - information request

Postby Squelchtone » 25 Jan 2018 4:46

Hello,
As this is a very old safe and lock, you may get more traction with the folks at http://www.antique-locks.com forum.

best of luck,
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Re: Vintage Safe with Bramah Locks - information request

Postby globallockytoo » 27 Jan 2018 13:44

they use brass discs inside, that are designed to last for(almost)ever.
Lubricate the insides of the keyhole with a Teflon based lubricant. Be generous in the amount of lube (but no over generous).
If possible get a spare key made in steel rather than brass of your copy.
If it is the correct key, the lube will help the lock to open.
Brahma can also be impressioned (not easily) but can be time consuming, even for a talented craftsman.
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Re: Vintage Safe with Bramah Locks - information request

Postby DaWolfMan » 30 Jan 2018 13:28

Hello,

Also looks like this safe is sitting on its side not on its bottom, I am not sure if it has any kind of a relocker system in it due to the age of it, but based off the quality of the lock on it i would guess it may. With the safe now sitting on its side instead of its bottom i am wondering if it has been moved around "Violently" in its life and maybe a relocker has been tripped as well. This is just something i wanted to throw out there because even if you get the key to work and do find the second key, you may still have issues getting this safe open.

Good luck, and if you get it open please share pictures of the inside of this safe, i have never seen one like this.

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Re: Vintage Safe with Bramah Locks - information request

Postby GWiens2001 » 30 Jan 2018 19:37

Don't know how I missed that, DaWolfMan. Hinges at the top of the door in the picture. :oops: Good catch!

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Re: Vintage Safe with Bramah Locks - information request

Postby DaWolfMan » 31 Jan 2018 11:50

GWiens2001 wrote:Don't know how I missed that, DaWolfMan. Hinges at the top of the door in the picture. :oops: Good catch!

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Gordon,

That's why we are all here as a community, to help each other out. This forum would not work if we only relied on one or two people for everything.

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