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Help identifying safe w/ Yale Dial

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Help identifying safe w/ Yale Dial

Postby Btuchman » 31 Jul 2024 15:06

I purchased a safe several years ago and never really used it. It has a Yale dial and no other markings.
It is 33" tall and 22" deep and 22" wide.

I am trying to identify it. And maybe get an age on it. I will attach some pictures. The combination is on a card from Diebold Nixdorf. Not sure if it's a Yale Safe or a Diebold safe.

https://ibb.co/FqvX6K9
https://ibb.co/C54Y6z6
https://ibb.co/nCxsBSc
https://ibb.co/2cCR3N3
https://ibb.co/DfQv5HG
https://ibb.co/HpV73fd
https://ibb.co/LxFJfPD
https://ibb.co/kyMZmQC

Thanks for any help
Bruce
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Re: Help identifying safe w/ Yale Dial

Postby Raymond » 31 Jul 2024 21:41

Hey Bruce. I would not be surprised if the number "21742" was the actual date of manufacture. I believe it is a Hall safe. I say this because I have one with all the same ID check points. (Rounded body corners, T-handle, Yale dial and lock, Wheels with round holes, wheel support system shape, Door hinges, etc.) The lock is a Yale OB gravity operated lock. The Yale OB was used on many different safes such as Mosler and Hall.

An interesting test for your safe is to determine it it will open if turned upside down. If it will then it is one of the older, original model locks. Remove the inner door cover plate and lay it aside. With the door open and the handle locked, raise locking bar to see if the bolt bar will pass far enough to turn the handle to open. A blocking tab was added on later models to prevent this trick.

Many of those safes had asbestos. One of the most common locations was inside the first groove on the outside door frame. I see that your safe has been painted so be aware of this if you decide to scrape that area to repaint.
Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool. Wisdom is not just in determining how to do something, but also includes determining whether it should be done at all.
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Re: Help identifying safe w/ Yale Dial

Postby Btuchman » 1 Aug 2024 9:06

Thanks for that great answer.

I have the combo on the card from Diebold Nixdorf. I have a call into them.

The safe is way too heavy to turn over. Is it possible that it was from 1942?

I will look up some Hall safes to compare to.

Thanks again
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Re: Help identifying safe w/ Yale Dial

Postby Btuchman » 6 Aug 2024 13:13

I need some new help on same safe.
I removed the dial with the door open to take some pictures.
After I replaced the dial, it the combo didn't work.
Is there a special position of the gate or the wheels when I replace the dial back into the safeit?
Attached 2 pixs
https://ibb.co/b2HX5bS
https://ibb.co/YXCxVys
Thanks
Bruce
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Re: Help identifying safe w/ Yale Dial

Postby Btuchman » 6 Aug 2024 17:05

I figured it out, well actually my wife got it. She is more careful than me.
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