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1880s Yale Lock - How to use combination? (if it's right?)

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1880s Yale Lock - How to use combination? (if it's right?)

Postby kricklin » 31 Jan 2024 13:38

Hi, I'm recently elected to a position in a community organization that has met in a building from the 1880s since it was built, my new role came with not only a pile of unlabeled keys but also some lock combinations, one of which I'm hoping will match an old free standing safe. One of the older members of the group left something sentimental in the safe that she'd really like back, and to the best of her knowledge it was last opened around 9-10 years ago. She said one of the combinations I have in a binder goes to that safe, but that there's a trick to opening it. Her memory of the details might be a bit off, but her explanation was that you turn the entire wheel one direction 4 times, then another direction 4 times "and so on", but that wasn't enough info for me to figure it out, and I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me figure out exactly how to enter this combination, assuming it's even correct. There's a reasonably high possibility it's written strangely, for "security". At least one combination that goes to a modern MasterLock on a door was written backwards (for example, instead of say 10-20-30, they wrote it down as 030201).

I appreciate any advice you might have! Google didn't help me much other than pointing me here, so I thought I should try asking you guys before calling someone to try to drill it!

The safe has one big dial that I think goes to 100/0, and a metal lever that is attached to the safe by a post with a ball on top in the center of the lever. It looks like you might rotate that after doing the combination to actually open the safe, it can jiggle a little bit back and forth.

The safe appears to have the original Yale lock, and in the center part of the combination lock it says, "YALE LOCK M'F'G Co.-STAMFORD CONN." around the edge, and in the center it lists patents,

"PAT'D
JULY 25, 1871
SEPT 2 1873
JULY 28, 1874
SEPT 7, 1880
NOV 2, 1880
NOV 2, 1880"


Here's how the combination is written:

(LOCK 26022)
0
4R
4L
60

It's also possible that the part in parenthesis could go to a different lock, that part is typed, while the stuff below it is written in pen, like it was added as an after thought, possibly years later. I appreciate any advice you might have to offer!!
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Re: 1880s Yale Lock - How to use combination? (if it's righ

Postby MartinHewitt » 31 Jan 2024 19:38

Hi, can you provide photos of the safe?

With the information given, the combo might just be 60. To test this, turn at least 4 times right to 60, then turn a full turn left. If it stops in the middle of this full turn, then hooray! Otherwise turn at least 4 times left to 60, then turn a full turn right. Again if it stops in the middle hooray!

Good luck!
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Re: 1880s Yale Lock - How to use combination? (if it's righ

Postby kricklin » 13 Sep 2024 14:24

Hi! Sorry to have left this so long! Here are some photos!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZNqezKRPWNfsdY4JA
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Re: 1880s Yale Lock - How to use combination? (if it's righ

Postby MartinHewitt » 14 Sep 2024 6:09

Sorry, I can't find anything about this safe. So my interpretation of your transcript is

Start at 0 (which does not help at all)
Turn 4 times right? :? Or turn 4 times left? :?
To 60.

Skip the 0, to make it sure do 5 turns to 60 and then turn back to stop. Try both directions.

Maybe show a photo of the note. Perhaps we can find something helpful with this.
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