Screw Safe

[00247]

You can screw it in part way just don't seat it all the way in or the rust could jam it. I can't see it in any of the pictures but there is a lock piece that is toggled by the time lock that catches on a piece in the door jamb. It only will catch if spring pressure is forcing it out and the door is aligned to the fully closed position. I can't find a picture so I will take one later. There should be alignment marks on the door and the jamb. Just make sure, if yours is not missing, that it will not flop out. I forget off hand if it is at the top or the bottom when closed. If at the bottom gravity could be a problem if it flops out.

I found that the best way for cleaning and polishing the door and the jamb threads is to use 3M EXL wheels on a die grinder. They are expensive but are cost effective in the long run and do the job fast. Norton also makes a similar wheel. That will remove the rust quickly and lightly polish the metal. More than likely the threads will be steel but the stepped body of the door and the jamb will be laminated burglar plate. The body of the safe will be made of the burglar plate as well. It is easily identified as you can see the layers of iron and chrome steel laminated in each piece. The burglar plate was advertised as burglar proof, used in safes, vaults, and in the construction of jails and prisons. The pieces are stacked to create the stepped body of the door and the jamb. The mating surfaces of the door and the jamb should clean up nicely. Here are some pictures from of one of my Mosler projects.

I just noticed the third picture shows the slot in the door where the latch fits. Yours may be different.









The one Mosler even has an indicator for door closed position.

[00247]

Make sure to use at least 2 sticks of butter

Squelchy's famous last words, It's ok honey, I'll get the butter...

[demux]

Make sure to use at least 2 sticks of butter

Squelchy's famous last words, It's ok honey, I'll get the butter...

Between that and the leg irons from a couple days ago, it sure sounds like Squelchy is having a good old time during the pandemic.

[Brady737]

I will be hunting parts down.....

[Brady737]

Perfect thanks! Is this timer something that might work? https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-yale-bank-vault-door-timer-3-dial-3-movement/233695259003?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225085%26meid%3Dd01397440a1246f1846b75afda64eacd%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D323867464984%26itm%3D233695259003%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042

[Squelchtone]

Perfect thanks! Is this timer something that might work? https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-yale-bank-vault-door-timer-3-dial-3-movement/233695259003?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225085%26meid%3Dd01397440a1246f1846b75afda64eacd%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D323867464984%26itm%3D233695259003%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042

You may find it helpful to use these terms when searching ebay:

time lock
safe time lock
vault time lock
mosler time lock
time lock movement
timelock cases

example results (not saying this will fit your exact model, just examples)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Time-Movement- ... 4092030210
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Timelock-Cases/264960522423

[00247]

That time lock on Ebay is not the correct one for your safe. It takes a Yale Triple L of a specific style. There were a number of versions of that time lock. I will have to refresh my memory on the correct terms and get back to you. I have a spare Triple L for a Mosler that I might sell. I will take some pictures to show you the identifying features. They do come up on Ebay occasionally.

[Brady737]

That time lock on Ebay is not the correct one for your safe. It takes a Yale Triple L of a specific style. There were a number of versions of that time lock. I will have to refresh my memory on the correct terms and get back to you. I have a spare Triple L for a Mosler that I might sell. I will take some pictures to show you the identifying features. They do come up on Ebay occasionally.

I really appreciate all your help! Thank you!

[Brady737]

This has been a good source and interesting read. http://www.my-time-machines.net/yale_intro.htm

[Brady737]

Should the next step be removing the Yale friction lock, dial....gonna need a dial and dial ring also as someone decided to "notch" it. Is there anything special about removing? Should I figure out combo first? Change combo? LOL I am hooked...Hope this helps another true newbie one day. 00247 you are training the future I think.....

[MartinHewitt]

If you remove the screw at the round part on the back of the lock you can remove the round part with all wheels. The wheels are mesh change. You can look at them to find out the number. The outer ring has numbers up to 100 and the inner ring has a mark somewhere pointing to the number of this wheel.

[Brady737]

If you remove the screw at the round part on the back of the lock you can remove the round part with all wheels. The wheels are mesh change. You can look at them to find out the number. The outer ring has numbers up to 100 and the inner ring has a mark somewhere pointing to the number of this wheel.

Thank you.....I'm happy more people are gonna enjoy this project.

[MartinHewitt]

We do! Topmost wheel visible on your photo is for the last number and it is 25.

The steel piece stuck in the spindle is the spline key. If you pull it out, you can probably unscrew the dial.

[00247]

This has been a good source and interesting read. http://www.my-time-machines.net/yale_intro.htm

I had planned to send you to that site. Mark, despite being very busy, educated me on the differences on the Yale Triple L models when I was a newbie. He was also extremely helpful with some info on the Bankers Dustproof time lock in my Victor cannonball. Be sure to spend some time learning about his Astronomical Skeleton Clock. The dedication to get this clock designed and built over a decade, the time and money invested, and the cooperation between people on multiple continents is, well, for the lack of a better word, astronomical!

I will post up more time lock info and some other info soon. This evening was dedicated to drinking beer down at the local watering hole.

[GWiens2001]

That part you mention that only activates to lock the door by the time lock spring - if the time lock is removed, then the door is being screwed closed, it can actuate and cause a lockout.

Saw it happen personally.

Gordon