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Screw Safe

Forgot how to dial the combination on that old safe? Think you got the right numbers but the handle is stuck? What safe should you buy? Ask your safe questions here!
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby Brady737 » 7 Dec 2020 10:12

GWiens2001 wrote:That part you mention that only activates to lock the door by the time lock spring - if the time lock is removed, then the door is being screwed closed, it can actuate and cause a lockout.

Saw it happen personally.

Gordon


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Re: Screw Safe

Postby Brady737 » 13 Dec 2020 12:20

Well Mark Frank chimed in which was very generous. He is a Triple L or Triple K believer, but not quite sure which. On Marks website I found these pictures with a safe very similar with a Triple K. ImageImageImage
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby 00247 » 13 Dec 2020 23:40

Those are great pictures of that safe. It is interesting to see the thin steps to the door and jamb and how the design evolved. Other pictures of the early screw doors are are of poor quality and I thought the slot at the center of the handle was for a key to disengage the handle. It is actually a slotted screw and the handle seems to operates a combination. 200 number dial, no less! Way cool!

I am quite positive your safe uses the Triple L time lock, and an early version at that. The early Triple L's had the keyhole for the door latch at the top of the door. With later models the hole moved to the lower right side.

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The Triple K's are slightly longer and I do not believe they had a model with a left side extension for the snubber bar. There were two styles of Triple L time locks with the left side extension. Mosler used the one with the extension on the left side that exits near the rear of the body in all the screw door safes I have seen.

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Another distinguishing feature is the round protrusion on the back of the body that houses the end of the linkage from the snubber bar to allow the extension to be moved to the rear. Your safe has a hole in the door to accommodate this.

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It is interesting to note that your safe is not drilled for the 6th bolt. You are fortunate to have four of the time lock mounting bolts as they have an odd thread and are usually missing when they come up for sale. I also think that a triple K will have a wider bolt pattern, but I can't swear by it as I have never seen one.

GWiens2001 is correct about the flat spring engaging the trip lever if the time lock is removed. When the clocks are wound they release the retraction spring in the time lock and that flat spring moves all the linkage and puts pressure against the trip lever. An interesting note, there are actually two flats springs sandwiched together to provide added spring pressure and redundancy in case one breaks. If the spring is removed the trip lever will be held in by the threads and at the locking position it is at the top so gravity should keep it retracted. Best to have it all removed if you don't have a time lock.
You call that a safe? Let me show you a real safe...
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Dec 2020 23:59

00247 wrote:... time lock mounting bolts as they have an odd thread and are usually missing when they come up for sale...


They are Whitworth (BSW) bolt/threads, right?

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Re: Screw Safe

Postby 00247 » 14 Dec 2020 0:05

You are correct, Gordon. A gilded gold leaf star made of burglar plate steel for you today!
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 14 Dec 2020 0:11

00247 wrote:You are correct, Gordon. A gilded gold leaf star made of burglar plate steel for you today!


Wow! Lucky Me! (Hangs it by his desk with pride)

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Re: Screw Safe

Postby Brady737 » 15 Dec 2020 11:25

Great info. I see your point with one of the pictures with the spring and linkage. Thank you! Polishing has commenced Ill post another pic soon.
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby Brady737 » 12 Jan 2021 9:55

New development. I have acquired a later version of this Mosler. I am hoping that the mechanism behind the plate will provide a template for the other. What type of steel are these parts made of. I have a great machinist that I think can recreate the parts if I give him an example. The 3L in this safe is awesome and I am very happy to have a complete one. ImageImageImage
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby jeffmoss26 » 12 Jan 2021 19:35

some real beauties!
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby Brady737 » 12 Jan 2021 20:57

jeffmoss26 wrote:some real beauties!

Thank you Jeff.
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby femurat » 13 Jan 2021 4:01

Very beautiful safes! I'm also impressed by them standing so close to each other. Congratulations to whomever made that super strong floor!

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Re: Screw Safe

Postby GWiens2001 » 17 Jan 2021 22:57

femurat wrote:Very beautiful safes! I'm also impressed by them standing so close to each other. Congratulations to whomever made that super strong floor!

Cheers :)


They filled those beautiful safes with helium. It makes them lighter.

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Re: Screw Safe

Postby Brady737 » 11 Jun 2021 7:32

Another step....picked up the correct Yale 3L time lock. Thanks to Mark (marksonli9) for taking a very beat up piece and restoring! Incredible work! The door was bent, glasswork broke, finish was sanded in places and the time pieces had not been cleaned in decades. Here are the before and after pics. Its ready to go. Next couple of steps are disassemble the safe and media blast, prime and have the linkages reproduced. Slow but sure.
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby femurat » 13 Jun 2021 22:16

Impressive restoration of the time lock!
This is a nice thread to follow.

Thanks for sharing :)
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Re: Screw Safe

Postby Brady737 » 26 Jan 2022 18:57

As we continue down the road of finding parts. I have found donor parts including another Yale 3L time clock in Nickel. I am in search of an example picture of this older screw safe. I have an example of a 1910ish with a different mechanism. Please take a look a the two different layouts. The example pic is quite a bit newer and has a different setup, please take a look........Image, Image
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