Help Identify S&G Vault lock

[Relic]

I have a vault lock that I'm pretty sure is a S&G.
It is a 4 number and uses a U11 change key.

There are no numbers on it (that I can find).
Looking at the S&G website I have it narrowed down to 6430, 6435 and 6530.

Are there any specific differences between these three part numbers that I should be able to spot by looking at it?
or if there is a part number stamped in it where is it located?

[GWiens2001]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Can we get some pictures? It would greatly speed up identification.

Gordon

[Relic]

Ya, I was expecting that, will take a pick tonight and post tomorrow.

Was hoping this might be an obvious difference.

[GWiens2001]

We will be glad to help identify it.

Gordon

[Relic]

Here is the PIC



Now that I took the picture I see there is a small 2 in the frame, does that mean group 2?

[Squelchtone]

Here is the PIC



Now that I took the picture I see there is a small 2 in the frame, does that mean group 2?

I believe that 2 is a casting mark from the mold they used, not a model number or function of the lock.

[femurat]

here is my 6510 viewtopic.php?f=12&t=58535
It has 3 wheels.
Nice lock

[Relic]

here is my 6510 viewtopic.php?f=12&t=58535
It has 3 wheels.
Nice lock

Don't have access to that forum, what do I need to do?

[Mitchell S]

here is my 6510 viewtopic.php?f=12&t=58535
It has 3 wheels.
Nice lock

Don't have access to that forum, what do I need to do?

Apparently there is an announcement imminent for changes to the rules for accessing the advanced topics section. Used to be 50 posts in 50 days, not sure where things are going though!

[Squelchtone]

here is my 6510 viewtopic.php?f=12&t=58535
It has 3 wheels.
Nice lock

Don't have access to that forum, what do I need to do?

Apparently there is an announcement imminent for changes to the rules for accessing the advanced topics section. Used to be 50 posts in 50 days, not sure where things are going though!

well, we're certainly not doing away with that particular requirement...

Relic, let me ask you, do you need to know the exact model number just for personal satisfaction of knowing it (I know that's how I operate) or to make your listing more accurate when you sell it?

It may be much quicker to just call S&G tech support, they're very knowledgeable and I bet if you emailed them a photo or two, they'd tell you exactly what lock model this is. We're a bunch of hobbyists and a sprinkle of locksmiths, and a few of those locksmiths are safe techs as well, so we don't always know every specific lock right off hand, but we're happy to try and help as best as we can.

[Relic]

I joined this site because I have an interest in locks. Been re-keying my own residential locks for the last 20 years.
Helped alot of friends and family along the way too. Times like when they buy a new home or cottage or break up with somebody and need new keys.
I don't charge but these are often people who help me out when I need it and they supply beverages!
I have no training on the subject, figured it out myself, built a small kit to do schlage and weiser.

Same goes for this stuff, deals show up occasionally, usually free but I have to move the beast.
With this lock I think if I clean it up it might be worth a few bucks. It is way higher quality than the drop safe I was asking about earlier this year.

So do I want to know what the model number of this lock is to give an accurate listing, yes.
Do I want to know the group number of the lock, yes.
Am I intentionally not posting pictures for the inner workings of the door, yes, no pics for the bad guys.
Could I call the manufacturer directly in this case, yes.

[femurat]

First of all, my lock has 4 wheels as well. Yesterday I thought it had just 3 but I was wrong.

About helping you to find the model number, a service manual could be helpful. I don't want to post it because it's copyrighted material. I can tell you that the difference is in the bolt shape, but I can't see it in your picture. Your lock has a square end sliding bolt? It's a 6510 like mine. Is it different? post a picture of the bolt and I'll check the manual and tell you.

Cheers

[Relic]

This one is a square end direct drive.
femurat, I don't see your part number in the list from S&G.

[femurat]

I have an older catalog...

[Relic]

Called for help, my lock is reversible left/right so it narrows the choices to one. The replacement is a 6530 but without LOBC and is a Group 2 lock.

Femurat, I searched 6510 and found another forum post by you with your detailed lock pictures, very close but not exactly the same as mine.

All I have to figure out now is the timer...