allied depository safe

[zebraworks]

hello,

here is a safe I am picking up this week:





The previous owner lost the combo...anyone know if this model is just plain steel?? I was thinking I would just cut in so I can open the back of the dial and visually see the wheel notches line up for fence....then weld shut again.....I was thinking that removing the hinges would probably not make it open??

[zebraworks]

I have one similar to this by another manufacturer (pheonix? I think)...looking at the top opening the steel looks like it is about 3/16" plate. there is also holes for bolts on the bottom.

I am not positive the inside has a access plate you remove to see the wheels or not. I used to have a much larger deposit safe with thick concrete inbetween steel walls. the lower compartment also was without the combo...on that one a guy came out and drilled through the dial so he could stick a scope in there to see the wheel notches (cutting was pretty much out of the question on that one)

[GWiens2001]

Pick up a copy of the NLGM (National Locksmith Guide to Manipulation), and start your learning!

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

You wont get much help from us in terms of how to cut it open or where to drill.. If we post that here and help you, anyone with good or bad intentions can find it using Google and then we end up teaching bad guys how to get into safes, so to avoid that this area is strickty to help folks who have the combo but forgot how to dial their safe, or who have an open safe and want to change the combo by taking the back cover off.

We have an Advanced Topics - Safe and Safe Lock area which is reserved for members who have gained the forums trust and have been here long enough and posted enough on the forum to gain that trust.

It does sound like you're resourceful, so I'm sure you'll have no problem getting into it, but before you go full brute force on that thing, and make unnecessary holes, you could always try dialing some factory combinations like 25-50-25 or 10-20-30 or 25-50-75 just in case it is set to something easy and obvious.

That dial looks to me like a LaGard model 3330 safe lock which is not a fun lock to crack for a junior safe cracker or weekend warrior. It may be an S&G but I'd need a closer photo of it.

we'll try to be as helpful as we can be,
Squelchtone

[kwoswalt99-]

@ squelchtone

That dial looks to me like a LaGard model 3330 safe lock which is not a fun lock to crack for a junior safe cracker or weekend warrior.

Would this one be fun for you?
@ zebraworks

I was thinking that removing the hinges would probably not make it open??

I don't know about that one, but they usually don't make it that easy.

[zebraworks]

thanks for the tips all,

I just downloaded the National locksmith guide to review. I will have to find out the kind of lock mechanism and whether it has a removable cover. after I know about the cover inside I think I will just cut a whole in the back, remove the cover (if it is designed like that) and then turn the dial to open it, then make sure I have the right combo before welding the hole back up in the back. I am bolting this down in a corner anyhow when I use it.

I paid $150 for this "as is" (hoping something was left inside to recover over-paying!!) I guess this is a rather low rated piece seeing how they are relatively thin steel (especially if like my Pheonix one that has the same t-handle and basic design except instead of a knob it has a bent handle for the roller.

[zebraworks]

here is the original safe I got years ago...I think the allied-gary may be higher quality though:

[kwoswalt99-]

I paid $150 for this "as is" (hoping something was left inside to recover over-paying!!)

I wouldn't use this as an investment strategy. Most often there isn't anything. I remember a thread on antique locks forum about people finding stuff in safes, but I couldn't find it again. There are many people who have opened many safes on there, and I only remember one person who ever found anything that had any value. I guess you could think of it as a really expensive lottery ticket, maybe the odds are similar?

[billdeserthills]

Some have holes in the bottom for bolting to the floor. Simply use Your long borescope to scope the change key hole, it's easy!

[billdeserthills]

thanks for the tips all,

I just downloaded the National locksmith guide to review. I will have to find out the kind of lock mechanism and whether it has a removable cover. after I know about the cover inside I think I will just cut a whole in the back, remove the cover (if it is designed like that) and then turn the dial to open it, then make sure I have the right combo before welding the hole back up in the back. I am bolting this down in a corner anyhow when I use it.

I paid $150 for this "as is" (hoping something was left inside to recover over-paying!!) I guess this is a rather low rated piece seeing how they are relatively thin steel (especially if like my Pheonix one that has the same t-handle and basic design except instead of a knob it has a bent handle for the roller.

This safe is Not designed for overnight storage of cash

[kwoswalt99-]

I paid $150 for this "as is" (hoping something was left inside to recover over-paying!!)

I wouldn't use this as an investment strategy. Most often there isn't anything. I remember a thread on antique locks forum about people finding stuff in safes, but I couldn't find it again. There are many people who have opened many safes on there, and I only remember one person who ever found anything that had any value. I guess you could think of it as a really expensive lottery ticket, maybe the odds are similar?

Of course if their are holes on the bottom you can tell if their is something in it.

Some have holes in the bottom for bolting to the floor. Simply use Your long borescope to scope the change key hole, it's easy!

I don't think he has one. I guess he could have, the guy who had the boroscope, come out and do your suggestion, but I take it that he wants to open it himself.

[billdeserthills]

I paid $150 for this "as is" (hoping something was left inside to recover over-paying!!)

I wouldn't use this as an investment strategy. Most often there isn't anything. I remember a thread on antique locks forum about people finding stuff in safes, but I couldn't find it again. There are many people who have opened many safes on there, and I only remember one person who ever found anything that had any value. I guess you could think of it as a really expensive lottery ticket, maybe the odds are similar?

Of course if their are holes on the bottom you can tell if their is something in it.

Some have holes in the bottom for bolting to the floor. Simply use Your long borescope to scope the change key hole, it's easy!

I don't think he has one. I guess he could have, the guy who had the boroscope, come out and do your suggestion, but I take it that he wants to open it himself.

Well if he wants to make any money selling this safe he better keep all the cutting in the bottom area, where nobody will see it

[zebraworks]

I was kidding about finding something to just help recover the purchase price...I bought it to use it like I do with the other one for dropping sealed deposit bags during remote tent sales.

I don't plan on selling the safe. I like these because employees can drop without combination and large bags not thin envelopes

I will look into the borescope option through the bottom mount holes but I figured the cover had to be off to see the wheel notches.

I really don't care if I have to re-weld it though since I'm not selling it.

[tomasfuk]

That dial looks to me like a LaGard model 3330 safe lock
Squelchtone

I don't think so. But looks like similar to 1763 dial.

...Would this one be fun for you?

Definitely

[zebraworks]

OK, I got in and got it open. (went through bottom). Thanks for all the help. Just have to weld the piece back in floor. There was some bolts inside from previous location but overall I am happy with the price for my needs. Thanks for tips. I am amazed I was able to get the inner cover out in retrospect when having to put it back in!!