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Mosler Screw Size

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Mosler Screw Size

Postby djed » 31 Jan 2018 20:47

As I piece together the 1886/1887 Mosler (serial #78425), I’m having trouble finding replacement screws.

5/16 - 18 is too big and 1/4 - 20 is too small.

My thread pitch gauge tells me 18 TPI is correct and 9/32 would seem to fit if that even exists.

I wasn’t even considering metric due to the age.

I could of course tap to size but I don’t want to do that ... just yet.

As always, your help is appreciated.
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Re: Mosler Screw Size

Postby 00247 » 1 Feb 2018 7:14

On old safes it is common to run across odd bolts/screws. While some thread standards were being developed in the late 1800's, SAE standards were first set around 1915. The Unified Thread Standard and the ISO metric standard were not implemented till the 1940's. On 1800's safes you can run into almost anything. When you consider the times, the safe factories were manned with immigrants and even the safe designers had ethnic backgrounds. Fasteners were made to the design they were used to. With minimal standardization in place it was easy for someone to come up with a "better" bolt.

On the old Moslers it is often a common TPI (threads per inch) but it is applied to non standard diameter. It can also sometimes be a British Whitworth thread that uses a 55° profile vs the UTS 60° profile but they will interchange. Except for the 1/2" size which uses a different TPI. There can be some slight interference that can be overcome. They shouldn't be metric.

With the TPI's on an odd diameter you will be forced to drill and tap to a standard thread or have a new bolt made to fit. In non critical areas an update may work, if cosmetics or application dictate an original then a new bolt will have to be made on a lathe.

I recently had to make a new bolt for a 1870's Martin C. Briggs safe. It not only had an odd combination of TPI/diameter, it also had an odd height, crown, and slot to the head. I had to advance my basic machining skills up one more notch.

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Re: Mosler Screw Size

Postby femurat » 1 Feb 2018 8:43

It's nice, in the end, when a small problem forces you to develop a skill. 00247, you made a nice bolt!

During my latest safe restoration project I wanted to clean the bolts threads but couldn't find a matching one in my tap and die set. I decided to just use a hard plastic brush on them.

Good luck djed :)
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Re: Mosler Screw Size

Postby GWiens2001 » 1 Feb 2018 9:13

Very nice bolt, 00247!

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Re: Mosler Screw Size

Postby MartinHewitt » 1 Feb 2018 16:51

Yup, nice bolt! I have here a lock from the 1890s, which I would like to mount for display and the obvious would be to fix it with screws to something. It would be also a project to mill three screws for that, but I believe it is a bit more than a notch for me. But perhaps one day I get up and decide to make screws for it.
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Re: Mosler Screw Size

Postby jimu57 » 2 Feb 2018 17:35

I love chasing threads on a lathe.
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