Identify old S&G safe lock

[Marine1]

We found this safe while clearing out old storage rooms in the basement of my church. It is believed that it was put in the church sometime in the 30s or 40s. We have no idea what is inside of it. I am going to attempt to manipulate it open but it has been decades since the last time I manipulated a safe open. If that fails I will drill or maybe use some C4 I have left over (just kidding). The church is in Chicago.
I would also like to know if some S&G locks are dialed RLR.


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[billdeserthills]

None of your pics are coming up for me

[GWiens2001]

or me.

Gordon

[Marine1]

I'll try the links again.

[Marine1]

Try these links to ID lock.

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[MartinHewitt]

Most likely LRL because of the door's orientation, but this is for manipulation not that important. You will feel the lever drop and when a right turn doesn't open, a left turn will. What's more important is to do first a wheel count. S&G sold mesh change locks for fire safes with 3 and also with 4 wheels.

[Marine1]

I know it's a 3 wheel. I'm trying to identify the model of the lock. The safe itself appears to be a Globe-Wernicke document safe.

[MartinHewitt]

Cincinnati had quite a few safe manufacturers, e.g. Victor, Hall's, Alpine, and others nearby like The Safe-Cabinet. I think it is more likely that one of them made this fire safe than a furniture company.

Candidates for the lock are the 6830, 6831, 6835 and 6836.

[Marine1]

Globe-Wernicke copied some of Safe-Cabinet's safes. They stopped making them after they were sued for copy right infringement. These were asbestos insulated document safes.

Thanks for the info on possible models.

[MartinHewitt]

S&G changed their numbering schemes a few times and even reused numbers. These locks are mesh change. Their difference is square bolt, rolling bolt, with and without spindle tube. I don't think there is anything about them online and I haven't seen any safe with them, but the style of the dial and the missing change index would fit to these lock models. It could perhaps be also a 6709 or 6710, but they look to new for the 40s. It is the best to open the safe and have a look.

[Marine1]

I got the safe open by drilling. Turns out it was nothing more than a high security priest vestment locker. Cedar lined with a pull out rack to hang vestments on.
When I asked the pastor about it he gave me the standard reply when he doesn't know the answer, "It's a mystery".






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[MartinHewitt]

That's a Yale OBB with a few exploratory holes.

Thanks for informing us about the end of the story.

[Marine1]

The dial was for an S&G.

[MartinHewitt]

Yes, but the lock is a Yale. Someone must have swapped the dial.

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