Deadbolt sleeve

[soksavik]

Why do you feel that way? I have 5-pin medeco mortise cylinders in stock. Even if the door is a 1 3/8" the standard collars should work fine.
Having seen a break-in on one of these locks years ago i would recommend the use of a latch-guard also

BTW these type locks need to be fairly tight on the door, otherwise they will float around in the 2 1/8" mounting hole, and that will cause premature latch failure

I inherited a big box of these from my Dad when he retired (finally) and I don't Ever sell them. Once I had a client with a 2" backset, that is what they excel at, they make one weird size...

I guess the easiest way to explain why I feel that way: Would you regard your five-pin Medeco as more secure than a six-pin Medeco?

Yes, I know the usual objection to that argument is that the lock is not the weakest link. Granted, a burglar would probably just break a window. But while there's an argument that the lock is overkill, that doesn't make it a bad lock. The problem here is the deadbolt.

I could go to the locksmith and order all Medecos. I'd probably pay more. The locksmith probably wouldn't be too happy, seeing as they ordered an entire Primus (sidebar) bitting kit just so I could have these locks. And while you could argue that it's not my problem the locksmith sold me a combination that won't work, I also don't like being an a-hole customer. I'd prefer to work out a fix if I can.

At the end of the day, I specifically requested Primus cylinders after doing a fair amount of research on high-security locks and concluding that while there are more secure options out there (Abloy Protec in particular), the Primus seemed a good fit for me. The locksmith was trying to save me some money by ordering mortise cylinders and these US Lock deadbolts rather than simply ordering Primus deadbolts. While that turned out not to work well in retrospect, I'd rather change the deadbolts (if necessary) than the cylinders.

Your point about needing to mount the locks fairly tight to avoid premature latch failure is well taken. The current combination doesn't work well, and I will need to at least get different deadbolts if I can't find a good solution to make these work.

[billdeserthills]

Actually I do regard my 5 pin medeco as hard to pick. Who will know it's not a 6-pin from the outside?

[Squelchtone]

Easy everybody, we're all here to help each other. Dude got the wrong locks, lesson learned. He can't return easily because it was a special order by the locksmith who doesn't normally stock Primus. Either help him find some thicker sleeves/roses to make up for that gap or don't.

Thank you,
Squelchtone

[billdeserthills]

Schlage goof rings can easily be stacked up, prolly just need a couple on each side to make a change
in fact your locksmith friend likely has a big pile of them, also the old schlage B460 used 1/4 and 1/2 sized roses
the old armored guard ring inserts are real handy spacers

[Squelchtone]

Schlage goof rings can easily be stacked up, prolly just need a couple on each side to make a change

I like it, I think I know the ones you mean, if the hole is too big for a normal deabdolt right? I think I saw Don Jo made something like that as well. But you know, it also ok if we all agree that either that a bigger collar/rose doesnt exist and he either has to get new cylinders or thicker doors. Probably not an answer the OP wants to hear, but it may end up being that way.

Thanks for that idea of these rings,
Squelchtone

EDIT: Here's an example of one for the OP to help visualize what we're talking about:


it seems different sizes are available from several manufacturers, I googled this one
http://www.1stinhardware.com/webstore/8 ... ml#SID=344

[Evan]

I could go to the locksmith and order all Medecos. I'd probably pay more. The locksmith probably wouldn't be too happy, seeing as they ordered an entire Primus (sidebar) bitting kit just so I could have these locks. And while you could argue that it's not my problem the locksmith sold me a combination that won't work, I also don't like being an a-hole customer. I'd prefer to work out a fix if I can.

Your point about needing to mount the locks fairly tight to avoid premature latch failure is well taken. The current combination doesn't work well, and I will need to at least get different deadbolts if I can't find a good solution to make these work.

OP:

Did the locksmith come out to your doors and have a chance to examine them before the two of you decided to order these locks which work fine on one door and not so much on the other ?

Or did you walk into the lock shop and want a Primus lock and answered a few questions about backset and what sort of finish you wanted on the new locks ?

I think that I know the answer to the first question...

The spacer ring which has been suggested by others here will pad out the surface of the door and will allow your lock to operate properly... If you want the trim ring to match the color of the door, paint it with spray paint and allow it to dry before installing it...

~~ Evan

[soksavik]

OP:

Did the locksmith come out to your doors and have a chance to examine them before the two of you decided to order these locks which work fine on one door and not so much on the other ?

Or did you walk into the lock shop and want a Primus lock and answered a few questions about backset and what sort of finish you wanted on the new locks ?

I think that I know the answer to the first question...

The spacer ring which has been suggested by others here will pad out the surface of the door and will allow your lock to operate properly... If you want the trim ring to match the color of the door, paint it with spray paint and allow it to dry before installing it...

~~ Evan

The latter; I gave him measurements (he's about 1.5 hours away). And the measurements were fine; the deadbolts work fine with a shorter mortise cylinder. Neither of us considered that the Primus cylinders are physically longer/deeper.

The spacer ring may be a workable solution. I'm driving back up there after New Year's and we'll see what he has; for now, I'm taking a break from the whole thing to celebrate the holidays.

[billdeserthills]

I could go to the locksmith and order all Medecos. I'd probably pay more. The locksmith probably wouldn't be too happy, seeing as they ordered an entire Primus (sidebar) bitting kit just so I could have these locks. And while you could argue that it's not my problem the locksmith sold me a combination that won't work, I also don't like being an a-hole customer. I'd prefer to work out a fix if I can.

Your point about needing to mount the locks fairly tight to avoid premature latch failure is well taken. The current combination doesn't work well, and I will need to at least get different deadbolts if I can't find a good solution to make these work.

OP:

Did the locksmith come out to your doors and have a chance to examine them before the two of you decided to order these locks which work fine on one door and not so much on the other ?

Or did you walk into the lock shop and want a Primus lock and answered a few questions about backset and what sort of finish you wanted on the new locks ?

I think that I know the answer to the first question...

The spacer ring which has been suggested by others here will pad out the surface of the door and will allow your lock to operate properly... If you want the trim ring to match the color of the door, paint it with spray paint and allow it to dry before installing it...

~~ Evan

One really nice thing about the schlage goof ring is the way they fit together, without allowing the lock to slide around on the door. Far as painting them goes, why not just get the correct
color, instead of making everything look like you hired an illegal alien to do a poor job of painting them. The paint will not stay on them for long without some prep work anyhow.