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Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

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Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby GWiens2001 » 30 Oct 2012 9:14

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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby catsoup » 30 Oct 2012 10:39

"I'm getting titanium locks next time," he said. "I'm tired of chasing a monkey."


They need a camera this could be entertaining.
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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby GWiens2001 » 30 Oct 2012 10:45

I was hoping for video when I read the article. :mrgreen:

Does anybody here see the logic in using a titanium lock in this case? If the capuchin was using bolt cutters, maybe.

Anybody want to send the critter a set of Raimundo's Bogata picks? :twisted:

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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby Evan » 30 Oct 2012 19:29

It sounds like the Zoo needs to use better locks on the cages...

Who wants to guess if they were using standard Master #3's or #5's keyed alike on all the cages...

Another question is if the monkey really picked the lock or simply found and concealed a set of keys lost by one of the Zookeepers...

Maybe a proper gate with a Folger Adams/Southern Steel lever tumbler correctional facility type lock would keep the critters in their cages...

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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby LocksmithArmy » 30 Oct 2012 19:42

Evan wrote:
Maybe a proper gate with a Folger Adams/Southern Steel lever tumbler correctional facility type lock would keep the critters in their cages...

~~ Evan


lol arbitrary statement... why not just go put abloy padlocks on with a high security hasp... or weld the gate shutand break the welde every morning...

the answer is always money. you can name any fancy lock you think a zoo might want to use... but they will use the cheapies...

putting titanium locks wont help either... if hes picking it that is...
if hes concealed a key just changing the lock would solve that... I wonder if they tried that.

if his problem is simply picking the cheapest solution would probably be a schlage primus... they are cheapish, for hi-sec, and can be put in any lock housing (rim, mortise, padlock)...
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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby Evan » 30 Oct 2012 20:42

LocksmithArmy wrote:lol arbitrary statement... why not just go put abloy padlocks on with a high security hasp... or weld the gate shutand break the welde every morning...

putting titanium locks wont help either... if hes picking it that is...
if hes concealed a key just changing the lock would solve that... I wonder if they tried that.

if his problem is simply picking the cheapest solution would probably be a schlage primus... they are cheapish, for hi-sec, and can be put in any lock housing (rim, mortise, padlock)...


Arbitrary ?

Folger Adams/Southern Steel locks keep grown men locked in where the correctional staff want them... Doubtful a monkey would be able to fashion a tool to be able to bypass such a lock... Those locks also are able to withstand many men using furniture as a battering ram attempting to break down the solid doors they are installed in... Therefore such locks would be a proven technology usable on properly constructed animal enclosures for animals 2-3x the size/strength of a person...

The gate in question on the monkey cage is more than likely just standard chain link hardware with the folding gate catch with a padlock securing it and top/bottom plates preventing it from swinging past the closed position on one side...

Simply saying "use a Schlage Primus" because it is available in many formats would make no difference if the monkey is using a lost key -- someone can lose one of those keys also and given their size those are way too easy for an animal to conceal in a large pen/cage... A larger correctional lever type key is more difficult to conceal by design...

The Zoo is not going to put a special lock on that one cage, most Zoo's that I have ever heard of that aren't using Best SFIC padlocks use keyed alike locks and staff are either allowed animal access by having the one key or aren't... The point is keeping the visitors out of the animal areas and the animals inside... Not controlling which staff member can enter which cage...

One of the problems of such a system is the total lack of key accountability and the availability of replacement keys (two come with each padlock) and the fact that boxes and boxes of such locks are kept on hand for when one breaks or gets lost/dropped out of reach somewhere... While a Primus key would be more difficult replace, given the breakage rate in the rough service of a Zoo, there would be extras on hand... A Folger Adams/Southern Steel key is much more durable and replacement would be something more controlled due to the expense...

That issue sounds totally like a key or lock with the key inserted went missing near the monkeys and no one reported it...

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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby MarkMcGrath » 9 Nov 2012 1:40

Could be the monkey is hitting the lock just right and popping it that way. Knowing zoos in general that is the most likely way a monkey of his size could be opening the lock.
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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby C locked » 6 Mar 2014 6:25

sounds like They need to attach a perspex panel ( the size of the door) to the inside of the door. To deny the monkey access to the lock.
...i'd say you're right. It is Probably just a master no 3. And the monkey is probably just clinging to the lock body and throwing its weight into it. Forcing it. (i know what i mean. And won't further describe it here)
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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby FreyGrimrod » 6 Mar 2014 18:40

Ok who is kicking in to get the monkey some progressively harder locks and a video camera?
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Re: Lock Picking Monkey Makes Third Escape From Zoo

Postby C locked » 7 Mar 2014 2:03

I might. Of course i'll hire him. And call myself the pirate locksmith. Arrr.
And then train him to climb in via open upstairs windows with limited openings. (those tiny bathroom ones) and get him to unlock from the inside.
just in case either of us cannot pick the lock.
...But seriously i'd love to see it video'd
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