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Any experience with rarer rocker picks?

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

Any experience with rarer rocker picks?

Postby Kheops » 17 Dec 2014 16:12

I started out picking locks, limiting myself to single pin picking. Believing it was harder, and maybe more refined, I wanted to start with SPP, and once I get a good feel for that, then move on to the sometimes more expedient raking (forcing myself to LEARN and be methodical)

Raking: so far, I really like what Bogotas can do. There are times however where I will get faster results (usually with lower-end locks) with a L-rake (AKA City rake). These two are definitely my GO-TO rakes.

However, I was wondering if some of you have had much experience with, example: Falle Valley or Falle Slope rakes?

If they are good, I'll make some, but it does take me quite a bit of time to make picks and don't want to go through that for naught (example: W-rake)
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Re: Any experience with rarer rocker picks?

Postby nite0wl » 18 Dec 2014 11:30

I started off with a set of Falle jagged lifters (Slope, Valley, and Hump). They aren't really rakes although the Hump and occasionally (depending on how aggressive the 'points' are) the slope can serve as serviceable rakes. In my experience raking with any of those tools tends to put significant strain on the shaft of the tool causing it to warp unless it is quite strong.
Jagged Lifters are kind of a halfway point between SPPing and raking, unlike SPP you are lifting multiple pin stacks at once but unlike raking you are sedately trying to lift at different angles instead of simply bouncing the stacks. The concept of Jagged Lifter tools is that their shape is supposed to approximate common key bittings (or at least an average of them) and lifting the at varying angles will simulate a full key being inserted. They generally give very little feedback as to how many, if any, pins are being set with each pass. Like a rake, you know they are working when you either get a false set or an open.
Raking with a factory Falle-style tool can be very hard on both the tool and the lock. Unlike a City Rake (fairly rounded cuts and peaks), the Falle pattern calls for very jagged points between cuts, this can disrupt your raking motion, damage weaker wafers and pins, and generally cause a lot of wear on lock and tool alike.
The Falle tools tend to do best on smaller locks or by working on half the stacks each time you lift (the working surface is fairly short compared to the front-to-back length of the typical mortice or rim door cylinder). On cabinet locks and small-medium padlocks (usually 4 pin, some small 5-pin) the Falle tools can make the work quick and easy, just a couple of passes with each of the three tools will get you an open if the lock is going to respond to them at all. On larger locks (6+ pins) or locks with bittings that are too far outside the patterns of the tools other tools are more appropriate (depending on your preferred techniques and the lock either true rakes and jigglers or some other variety of jagged lifter.
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Re: Any experience with rarer rocker picks?

Postby Kheops » 18 Dec 2014 13:17

Very interesting. I didn't think they had such sharp peaks. I can imagine how very sharp peaks would render it impossible to use them, the way I use an L-rake. I start with very light tension, raking back and forth, while varying, only slightly, the angle. After a few passes I start to increase the tension substantially, and then begin the rocking... My L-rake doesn't seem to jam in place, but like you said, it's fairly rounded out.

I don't have much opportunity to pick cheaper wafer locks, such as cabinet locks... so in that regard they wouldn't help me much (I have a few, but they are so cheap that I simply scowl at them, and they open...). I might still try making, maybe just one, such as the hump, and round it out a lot, see how that compares to an L-rake.
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