hook v/s raking

by **PoRT55** » 29 Feb 2008 10:48

Im new to picking, havnt been doing it a very long time. I dont have a nice set of picks, but i dont have very much success raking. I would rather use a short hook or a half diamond to pick. I like to feel the pins and do everything by touch. i was wondering if a lot of you guys do this, or try raking first b/c it can be faster? just wondering. maybe ill have better luck with the set i ordered from LN21. thanks - Tim

by **dougfarre** » 29 Feb 2008 11:12

The fact that you ordered a set from LN means your on the right track. Don't rake locks. Imagine somone sticking a sharp serated object inside you and moving it in and out really fast.

Anyways, there is no reason to rake a lock in your stage of picking. {If you really want to understand how the lock works stick with the feelers.

by **poor paperclip picker** » 29 Feb 2008 12:49

I usually SPP (single pin pick), but if I have trouble with a lock, I will rake then SPP what the raking didn't do. I have used raking a lot more than I should have in my earlier stages of picking. Now I am just SPPing a lot more to hone my feeling senses. But I do use both.

But I would say keep practicing the SPPing for a while then start raking.

by **Beyond** » 29 Feb 2008 13:51

dougfarre wrote:The fact that you ordered a set from LN means your on the right track. Don't rake locks. Imagine somone sticking a sharp serated object inside you and moving it in and out really fast.

That implies that locks have feelings and a nervous system.

A more applicable scenario would be: "Imagine cutting grass, blade by blade to truly understand it's mechanics instead of using a lawn mower to get it done quickly. Yeah you'll cut the grass faster with that, insanely faster, but at the end of the day it's important to know you understand the lock, oops grass, by cutting it blade by blade."

by **teecee** » 29 Feb 2008 13:56

I do it the opposite way. I rake to get as many pins as I can(I rake maximum 5 times) and then I pick each pin (the ones that haven't set).

But hey, I'm just a newbie to picking.

by **le.nutzman** » 29 Feb 2008 15:19

The fact that doug brought that up scares me to think that it might be happening at his Locksport meetings......... :shock:

Some locks will rake open relatively easy, others will never rake open. Raking is just as much a technique as SPPing, though the satisfaction with SPPing a lock is much more.

by **JK_the_CJer** » 29 Feb 2008 21:27

Raking ist tot.

by **amaze1** » 1 Mar 2008 0:06

Im always raking cause its just easier for me. But when it comes to locks like american locks, mul t locks and medecos I got no choice but to spp

by **bumber** » 1 Mar 2008 5:27

I like to use rakes for their multi pin setting ability, like Ill put the pick to the back of the lock and move it up and down almost like shaking a hand but nice and slow, and kinda let the snake/rake walk its way out of the lock. I never ever scrub though, even before I thought I knew what I was doing just because I knew that the steel would just mangle the brass and cause horrible things to happen....oh ya I do prefer SPP though. :lol:

by **LockNewbie21** » 1 Mar 2008 8:30

Well Raking is useful if done right, always sand your tools and make sure the lock is poperly lubed and functioning correcting.

Raking can be benificial its just that Tension control will dictate how good raking is.

I wouldn't single it out ever, but none the less raking is alot more chance as compared it individual picking.

LN21

by **Beyond** » 1 Mar 2008 10:05

LockNewbie21 wrote:Well Raking is useful if done right, always sand your tools and make sure the lock is poperly lubed and functioning correcting.

Raking can be benificial its just that Tension control will dictate how good raking is.

I wouldn't single it out ever, but none the less raking is alot more chance as compared it individual picking.

LN21

What?

LN agreeing...with...Beyond...what?

by **LockNewbie21** » 1 Mar 2008 11:10

LockNewbie21 wrote:
Well Raking is useful if done right, always sand your tools and make sure the lock is poperly lubed and functioning correcting.

Raking can be benificial its just that Tension control will dictate how good raking is.

I wouldn't single it out ever, but none the less raking is alot more chance as compared it individual picking.

LN21

What?

LN agreeing...with...Beyond...what?

Revert to car thread :lol:

All agurments are herby forfieted, the only real arguemnt anymore is Which is faster the trans am.. or camaro, but I saythe heck with it there both great.

by **Beyond** » 1 Mar 2008 11:22

LockNewbie21 wrote:
LockNewbie21 wrote:
Well Raking is useful if done right, always sand your tools and make sure the lock is poperly lubed and functioning correcting.

Raking can be benificial its just that Tension control will dictate how good raking is.

I wouldn't single it out ever, but none the less raking is alot more chance as compared it individual picking.

LN21

What?

LN agreeing...with...Beyond...what?

Revert to car thread All agurments are herby forfieted, the only real arguemnt anymore is Which is faster the trans am.. or camaro, but I saythe heck with it there both great.

Deal. Lol.

by **zsoutendijk** » 1 Mar 2008 19:25

this is such a debated subject, the fact is SPP is best for learning and hobby picking, if you wanna open a lock quick then use raking... well i suppose bolt cutters work too!

Love
-Zack

by **Beyond** » 1 Mar 2008 19:32

zsoutendijk wrote:this is such a debated subject, the fact is SPP is best for learning and hobby picking, if you wanna open a lock quick then use raking... well i suppose bolt cutters work too!

Love
-Zack

About 20 other methods work too.

But none of which involve a pick and tension wrench, so it's not really applicable.

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