Evva keyway

[Mad Mick]

OK, the inner measurements of the needles are quite a bit bigger than I thought.

Me too! I'd expected less than a mil to be available....

Makes me cringe just looking at it.

You hate needles too?

[Luke]

Ahem - a great tool for those sort of locks is the rotary lockpicking tool. Opens any lock in a jiffy makes those restricted lock pop open at the sight of it

[Mad Mick]

Luke, what about the very bottom tool here:
http://www.spymall.com/catalog/locksmit ... 938bafc6f1

Thanks to Technik & Plot for pointing this out.

I'd 'pop' open if confronted with this tool!

[Chucklz]

There are many other much finer needle diameters. Unfortunately they are expressed in a rather archaic Gague measurement system that may or may not be comparable to wire gague. Ill measure a few and see tomorrow.

If those needles make you cringe..Someone in the lab down the hall was working on a project to grow microorganisms in a sand bed, for say building a bioreactor to clean up wastes. To sample the bed, they had a 7 inch needle with a 3/16 OD. The needle was orderd from a medical supplier as well. If someone came at me with that needle... id probably crap myself.

[plot]

There are many different gagues (OD and presumably ID) of syringe needles available. I have to poke around (bad pun i know) tomorrow and see what fits nicely in locks.

But for now, what does everyone think of these Biopsy needles as an almost complete product?
http://www.surgical911.com/cgi-bin/dbex ... e=0&Ftext=

i'd just get a normal syringe and stick some wire through it... would be alot cheaper.

as for what kind of wire... hrm... i'm sure there's something out there that would work, just can't think of what at the moment.

[Mad Mick]

Probably some kind of braid considering the angles involved.

[PYRO1234321]

Using a syringe with sharp end cut off and an acupuncture needle, i made this quick sputnik rip-off.





The curve in the hollow tube will always curl the wire or solid needle pushed through (this was evedent is pictures of a real sputnik pick) due to the sharp angle.

The good: small space needed and is powerful enough to manipulate pins in a yale that i had (not nearly as restrictive as that crazy EVVA, but it may fit)

The bad: 2 hands to operate (need auto-torque tool/weight), horrible feedback due to the inherent internal friction of the device. hard to tell if a pin is set.

[Mad Mick]

If you had two loops for the index and middle finger on the needle side, and a loop in the wire for the thumb, this'd free up the other hand for tension. Never mind MacGuyver, this is now getting very James Bond!

[plot]

Pyro, i don't see the accupuncture needle?

[Mad Mick]

That'd be the needle looking thing on the right.....

[HeadHunterCEO]

that may be the craftiest thing i have ever seen

kudos to you

[PYRO1234321]

forgot to mention, i heated the syringe needle to bend it up. and cut back the plastic attachment

plot: the accupuncture needle is passed through the hollow syringe needle and has coiled aluminum on the end as a handle (or electrode for this type of accupuncture, but thats a different story).

mad mick: tried to attach loops but the thing is presently to small and the accupuncture needle dosn't like to pushed without support (like a noodle when longer than 1cm or so).

my question is: if a rotational aspect is incorporated to the accupuncture needle, with a slight modification to the tip, do we have a modeco pick in development? (they have some newer kickass animation on their site by the way). I seem to remember this idea from somewhere in the past on LP101 but i am unable to find it.

[Chucklz]

I was thinking to epoxy the wire to a syringe plunger, then not only do you not need two hands, but you have a handy depth guide or sorts (the markings on the syringe body). Pyro, what gauge needle did you select? I was thinking of some 21 and 23 gauge needles.

For a weighted torque wrench, cut a slit in the top of a film canister, put some mass of your choosing in the canister and slide it on a standard turning /tension tool.

[David_Parker]

This whole 'bending a hollow tube' thing seems tricky. Personally, why not just go for some piano wire instead? Attach/affix the end to some sort of rod, and go from there?

-Dave.

[PYRO1234321]

Chucklz: thats a good idea about using the syringe graduations for measurement, unfortunately the olny one i have has the marks worn off from squirting cat ear medication , but they are cheap at the pharmacy, especially a smaller insulin type syringe that may help the inner needle (assuming the main needle is big enough) from buckling and solve the one-handed operation issue. it would also increases friction and further reduces feadback. as for gauge, i can't recall, it was an old dull tip used for filling ink cartridges, but i think it was "20-something".

David_Parker: i thought that the tube thing would be difficult also but i simply heated it and bent it without folding. the hardest was inserting the inner needle and forcing it around/through the curve. the piano wire idea intrigues me, how would it remain small but still retract/extend?