Peterson picks?

by **Romstar** » 20 Sep 2004 10:48

CitySpider wrote:
Romstar wrote:Answer the questions as best you can, and if asked if you are a locksmith say that you are.

I'm probably going to get myself in trouble here, but I don't really think a moderator should be advocating conning a pick manufacturer into breaking the law (or postal regulations, whatever you want to call it).

Nope, you aren't going to get yourself into ANY hot water at ALL.

Technically I agree. I thought long and hard about that statement before I wrote it. It was one of the reasons I prefaced it by saying NOT to do it if it was illegal in YOUR area.

The crux of this entire issue is that in many juristictions it is perfectly legal not only to own locksmithing tools, but to walk down the street with them on your person.

Yet most companies refuse to sell product to the general public because of the bonehead laws in some places.

While there is the issue of the postal regualtions (I keep forgetting about that because we don't have that problem in Canada) I still think unless you live in one of he states that makes locksmithing tools illegal, that you should be able to buy them regardless.

I'll make a deal with you though. If I get enough people saying that I am wrong on this, and that they are offended about my suggestion, I will remove my entire post and the suggestions it contains.

Romstar

by **CitySpider** » 20 Sep 2004 11:56

Romstar wrote:I'll make a deal with you though. If I get enough people saying that I am wrong on this, and that they are offended about my suggestion, I will remove my entire post and the suggestions it contains.

I'm absolutely not offended by the suggestion, although I wouldn't ever do it. I'm worried, in some small way, about liability. I'm CitySpider, one of the site's users, I'm just some random guy. YOU'RE a moderator -- on some level, you speak for the site. If someone runs into legal problems because they followed your suggestion, I can't imagine that'd be good for anyone.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?

As for the post above mine, does anyone have a copy of how the USPS defines a locksmith? Do they even have a definition? I'd love to know that I was a bonafide locksmith.

by **Pheniox** » 20 Sep 2004 13:45

CitySpider wrote:
Romstar wrote:I'll make a deal with you though. If I get enough people saying that I am wrong on this, and that they are offended about my suggestion, I will remove my entire post and the suggestions it contains.

I'm absolutely not offended by the suggestion, although I wouldn't ever do it. I'm worried, in some small way, about liability. I'm CitySpider, one of the site's users, I'm just some random guy. YOU'RE a moderator -- on some level, you speak for the site. If someone runs into legal problems because they followed your suggestion, I can't imagine that'd be good for anyone.

Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so what do I know?

As for the post above mine, does anyone have a copy of how the USPS defines a locksmith? Do they even have a definition? I'd love to know that I was a bonafide locksmith.

Good point.

But completly moot. For the same reason you can't sue someone on the internet for posting how to make bombs, you would have a hard time making a case. What exactly defines a locksmith. Do you have to have an ALOA membership? In that case, no forgien members of this forum may order lockpicks from stores based in the USA, and secondoff, the possesition of lockpicks in your home would make you a criminal. This has a point, and while we are not telling you to go shoot people, if you are a deticated hobbiest, then odds are, you are good enough to be considered a locksmith. Not on the same level as the real locksmiths who do it for a living, but are still a locksmith, IMO.

More to post when I finish opening peoples lockers on the ship who lost there keys on the weekend.

PS

why ANYONE would use a abloy lock on there locker, I DON'T KNOW. I HATE ABLOY!

by **Chucklz** » 20 Sep 2004 15:52

From what I've gathered from the Post Office, Bona Fide Locksmith means exactly what it says. Doesn't seem to be any more of a clarification, at least none that I can find. Sorry.

Phen,

How many people lost keys? You must do very well fixing their shore leave mistakes.

by **RedTalon** » 20 Sep 2004 20:50

One question about these picks. They seem really good, especially with the grips. But can the grips make it harder to feel what is going on inside the lock?

Also I looked on there for tension wenchs. They have the double prong pair (those any good) for a reasonable price. But the regular ones are a little pricey. PLus they do not seem to the twisted, so can be a little on the figers no?

Thanks

by **Wesson357** » 20 Sep 2004 21:22

I just got my set today and they feel like they feedback pretty well. I still do a little bit better with my hacksaw blade picks but I'm just not quite used to these yet.

Oh and thanks to lockpicks.com for getting me these picks in 3 days. Amazing service

by **Chucklz** » 20 Sep 2004 21:29

The Peterson Tension tools come "unmade" but with a neato little bending tool to do with them as you desire. For what they charge, you do get more tension tools than you will know what to do with. at least at first.

by **Wesson357** » 20 Sep 2004 21:31

Chucklz wrote:The Peterson Tension tools come "unmade" but with a neato little bending tool to do with them as you desire. For what they charge, you do get more tension tools than you will know what to do with. at least at first.

I just experienced that

I still prefer the tension tools I made on the grinder out of hex keys, but the peterson ones are still pretty good.

Neat tool too.

by **thertel** » 20 Sep 2004 21:45

Wesson when you start to work on higher security locks you'll probably find how useful the flex twist tension wrenches you can make with the U bend it blanks. They are simply amazing. I haven't used anything else since I got mine. I still use allen keys for turning springloaded locks after they are unlocked though.

As for feedback: the rubber and the plastic handles have great feedback, not as much as the baremetal style picks but as you get the feel for them the added size, imho, makes them a thousand times better.

Thomas

by **Buggs41** » 20 Sep 2004 21:57

I just added foam grips to my picks. The feedback is still there. One plus is that there are no pronounced edges that wear on the fingers. It feels like I am "jellin" with the Dr. Scholes insoles.

by **Wesson357** » 20 Sep 2004 22:29

thertel wrote:Wesson when you start to work on higher security locks you'll probably find how useful the flex twist tension wrenches you can make with the U bend it blanks. They are simply amazing. I haven't used anything else since I got mine. I still use allen keys for turning springloaded locks after they are unlocked though.

I was thinking about picking up a medeco core here on ebay so I might try that. Thanks

by **Luke** » 21 Sep 2004 1:08

Pheniox, im sure you wont have much trouble opening the abloy since the navy brought u a decoder... lucky B@5t@RD

by **RedTalon** » 21 Sep 2004 3:30

Any reliable place you can get petersons picks from other than their website? Like the 7 peice, rubber set? Not that I mind ordering them, just that they do not have any cheap options for tension wrenchs...and do not really feel like ordering from two different places and having to pay shipping on both.

by **reg** » 21 Sep 2004 3:51

you could always buy the u-bent-it toool without the steel strips and use windscreen wiper blades, makes it much cheaper this way

cheers,

reg

by **thertel** » 21 Sep 2004 10:26

you could contact Barrett Brockhage at lockpicks.com
they do stock the Peterson-International Just Picks Rubber (model JP-R)
and then you could get some southord tension tools.

Thomas

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