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Picking prevention idea...

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

Postby VashTSPD » 26 Aug 2006 23:14

but the driver pins would be magnatized too.
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Postby mh » 28 Aug 2006 0:30

VashTSPD wrote:a good idea for a lock that cant be moved (IE a door lock) is to have to have the cylinder upside down without springs so all the pins fall out of the plug and it is locking on the "bottom pins" (the non-driver pins). Then make a key that magnetically attracts the pins so it pulls them up into place. I can't think of a good way to pick that lock at all...


Part of this (one pin only) was already implemented by some folks in the East of Germany:
http://www.schlosssicherungen-gera.de/l ... 6&page=147 - the GERA 6500 mc.
Look at the little blue magnet in the key, no. (7).

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Postby globallockytoo » 28 Aug 2006 9:52

These theories are all well and good but realise that the cost of tooling up and production of locks with this theoretically improved technology will cost significantly more than the average person (who is at risk already) who has already been conned by the existing manufacturers into purchasing pin tumbler products already....will be able to spend!

If you were burned by manufacturers wouldnt you think twice before ordering from them again.....

As stated already.....there are a few lock designs already on the market that are significantly better quality and bump-resistant (proof)...like Bilock...

Everyone is playing catch up....to the master Australian technological leaders!

Face it....not only are they the best cricket players in the world (consistently)....rugby players....gaelic football....but also lock cylinder designers!
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Postby mh » 28 Aug 2006 11:57

globallockytoo wrote:Everyone is playing catch up....to the master Australian technological leaders!

Face it....not only are they the best cricket players in the world (consistently)....rugby players....gaelic football....but also lock cylinder designers!


Hear, hear! :lol:

mh - who believes that certain European locks are the most advanced designs in the world :)
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Postby RenderMan » 29 Aug 2006 13:53

The whole point of this thread was mental exercise and not meant as a viable and marketable idea for lock manufacturers. There needs to be more of this kind of discussion on how to make things better since we spend alot of time griping about how bad they are. This was an attempt to do just that based on my experience in the L0st-box contest.

That said, there's some misconceptions floating around I should clear up.

Most cheap lock plugs and chambers are made of brass or pot metal. Most pins are made of brass too. Brass is a non-ferrous metal meaning it is not affected or attracted by magnetic fields. The magnets were never meant to interact with the pins, just to screw with ferrous pick tools. A key would not really be affected since the wards in the keyway would keep the key in line with where it needed to be to operate.

The idea was to put a small but powerful magnet next to the cylinder to make it difficult to apply constant pressure to the pin to set it. It may be possible to retrofit some deadbolts with this quite easily as many deadbolts and rim cylinders have a cavity beside the pin chambers that could have a magnet glued there.

Now that's all layed out, I think that as a challenge and test of control of tools, this could also be a very valuable training tool. If you can maintain control, even with a magnet pulling on your tool, then you definatly have some control of how high your setting pins, thus making you a better picker. Try it and see!
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Postby !*AMP*! » 29 Aug 2006 14:26

Or we could just follow the earlier advice and leave all of our doors unlocked so that thieves with enough smarts to pick the lock (but not to check to see if it's open) pick it and lock the door in the process. :lol:
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