i guess that was my bad i should have been more clarified in my asking again it was late wasnt thinking right and i know you dont need a key to make the pick...its easyer and as a preference i am better working with them from a former key
..any way the double picks i was talking about i put a link for a photo of them that should clear up confusion on that note but we have decided that they are pretty much a useless bad investment unless you have a specific lock that they fit otherwise standard picks will do
and you were right about that MIT guide lol i remember reading that about a year ago or so and being very confused with terminology with further research