need help

[hotwire]

I was wondering how many of you guys make lock picks even though the state your in forbids it I only ask this because i live in arizona.

Arizona

13-1505. Possession of burglary tools; classification

A. A person commits possession of burglary tools by possessing any
explosive, tool, instrument or other article adapted or commonly used
for committing any form of burglary as defined in sections 13-1506,
13-1507 and 13-1508 and intending to use or permit the use of such an
item in the commission of a burglary.

B. Possession of burglary tools is a class 6 felony.

[marso]

Just incase you were wondering (and I have no idea if its correct) the punishment for a class 6 felony is between 6 months and 1.5 yrs in jail.

http://www.lawforkids.org/QA/other/other65.cfm

[Chucklz]

According to the text of the law that you just posted, To be considered a felonly you must 1.) Possess such tools and 2.) INTEND to use them to commit burglary.

[marso]

It is hard to tell with the part that is posted to see if the onus is on you to prove that you had them not with that intent or if it is on the police to pove you did have intent.

If I am not mistaken and I have just woken up, alot of the time the onus is on the person who carries the lockpicks.

[hotwire]

But it says "Possession of burglary tools is a class 6 felony" meaning i cant even have them right?

[Lock Expert]

Don't worry about that. I think that you should make your own lock picks because there not even storebought! It's not illegal to own lock picks and since there not even storebought you should be okay. I hope your not going to lock pick anything thats not yours because no one is here to pick locks that aren't ours. You seem a little worried. So go for it and start making your lock picks. You'll see that lock picking is a great hobby and the best sport out there.

[CitySpider]

But it says "Possession of burglary tools is a class 6 felony" meaning i cant even have them right?

They're only burglary tools if you're using them to commit a burglary, or you plan to do so. If you're jimmying a window with a screwdriver, your screwdriver is a burglary tool. If you're carding open a door, your credit card is a burglary tool. If you're picking your lock, in your living room, you're a hobbyist.

[marso]

I disagree, even though I hate trying to understand legislation and so forth I believe in some states/countries it may be illegal (with a prision term) to make/own/buy/possess lockpicks. Even if it is in your own house the one time they come around cause the neighbour complains or something and see ya picks on the table, officer. I know the legislation for me states its legal to possess lockpicks in my place of dwelling. If you are worried ask your local police or lawyer.

See the law section of this forum but remeber most of the things included there are only short samples from the legislation, you should read the whole lot (and ask above mentioned people if you have questions) if you have any doubt. Please unless you can backup your claims on legality I would not make statements like that.

It is a great sport, and happy picking.

[CitySpider]

I disagree, even though I hate trying to understand legislation and so forth I believe in some states/countries it may be illegal (with a prision term) to make/own/buy/possess lockpicks.

Oh, absolutely. DC, for instance. I'm just pretty sure it's the only US "state" where it's illegal to possess, and I'm pretty sure that Arizona isn't one. See both my previous post and the "and" in the legislation.

[Lock Expert]

And anyways if you make your own lock pick it isn't an actual lock pick because you never bought it. For instance, if you use hacksaw blade and file it down, it may look like a lock pick but it actually isn't.

[CitySpider]

And anyways if you make your own lock pick it isn't an actual lock pick because you never bought it. For instance, if you use hacksaw blade and file it down, it may look like a lock pick but it actually isn't.

I don't know if Joe Friday's going to buy that. Even if you're picking a lock with two paperclips, they're lockpicks.

[marso]

g'day,

In two posts you said possessing lockpicks was not illegal without backing either up.

tool, ... or other article adapted or commonly used
for committing any form of burglary

If you read the above comment it says an article adapted that to me means an improvised pick (even a bent paper clip). I dont want to make conclusions here so please contact someone in your area who can look up case law and put this in context for you.